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12-04-2009, 03:46 AM
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American HR669 issue - Such a big deal???
Ive seen a lot of opposition to the proposed HR669 voiced mainly over youtube from various exotic pet American breeders. This of course is entirely understandable with it threatening their livelihood.
The point i wanted to pick up is that 100% of the people ive heard in opposition to the bill have presented it as if the bill will "ban ALL exotic pet ownership" in the US. Its being called the death of reptile keeping. However if you actually read the proposed bill it doesnt do this at all! Its far from a blanket ban! You can read it here... GovTrack: H.R. 669: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House If you actually read the act the aim of it is not to ban the keeping of all pets. Its purpose is to "establish a risk assessment process to prevent the introduction into, and establishment in, the United States of nonnative wildlife species". So what this legislation actually does if you read it a bit further is provide that any species of animal that is to be brought into the US has to be assessed in terms of its risk of either... a) Its risk to the health of humans b) the potential risk that the species may establish themselves in the Us and in doing so damage the local ecosystem. Unless the animals is particulally dangerous, or a particulally invasive species that could infest the local ecosystem, IT WONT BE BANNED. Ok fair enough this is bad news for DWA keepers, and probably retic/afrock/burmese keepers. But besides that, its only going to be invasive species that are banned. For example maybe the kane toad (is that the right species?), that is so invasive it devasteds domestic australian wildlife. I think also the common carp in some countries is seen as a pest afters it introduction devastated the natice waterways. Many of the videos use the example of the pet hamster being banned under the bill. This in my opinion simply isnt what the bill would do. Is the hamster a risk to human health? No! Is there a risk of the hamster establishing a local population and damaging local wildlife??? No! If there was a risk, it would have already materialised with the hamster being kept as a pet for so long already. Im not saying i support the ban, in my view although it has a legitimate aim, its method of going about things seems like overkill. The point i want to make is that the extent to which this bill is being said to be able to "destroy the exotic pet trade overnight" is a complete exageration. Anyhow HR669 is simply a proposal, probably becoming no more then that. So hopefully no ones going to have to worry. *breathes*.... rant over 
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12-04-2009, 05:04 AM
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Just got a response from Brian Barczyk to what i said and he wanted me to share it with the forum. I think he makes a pretty fair point with regard to the practical implications of the risk assessment process.
------------------------------------------------------------------- " I had spent five days prior to making the video on multiple conference calls with powerful lobbyist so that I understood the law in and out and did not put any information out that was not accurate. There is a tremendous amount of bad information. To your point. First feel free to post my take on things if you'd like, I would like people to hear my take and I'm not sure what forum you are on. I am not opposed to the concept of a risk based approach to non-native imports, but hr669 does not provide a constructive way to achieve this. The point that you are missing with your assessment is that the animals that are not "dangerous" would have to be assessed on their impact on the environment. It takes up to five years to do a risk assessment of one species. In this bill if you did not have the " approved risk assessment" you would not be able to sell, breed, or transport them. This proposal would cover over 10,000 species. I ask you, how many do you think they can approve in the time allotted?? Under this proposed bill it would take several life times to go through and perform the risk assessed. I am in favour of a risk based approach, but this is an impossible task as this proposed bill is written. Hope this clears this up. Again feel free to please post my response to your post. I would hate for people to only get one side on the argument. Maybe you were unaware of how the " approval" process worked. Thanks for the email, Brian" --------------------------------------------------------------- To be honest i wasnt aware that the risk assessment process was so legthy. As a result i can see where the opposition is coming from. Top man for Brian to reply! Mucho respect.
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12-04-2009, 06:00 PM
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Nice post!
Hopefully this will clear up alot of confusion in peoples head...... Although the chances of this even coming in are small I think if it did that the 'risk assessment' on some animals may go unfairly and exotic animal keeping of snakes and reps may come off badly...
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14-04-2009, 02:16 PM
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ye but just think a lot of reptile things like exo terra and other stuff get imported from america
and so are some snakes and lizards and torts and now the HR669 has came you wont be aloud to import stock from america so prices will go up more snakes and lizards will be harder to get 
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14-04-2009, 02:22 PM
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nah its not a big deal really, this is the thrid year this bill has been proposed and im guessing it will just be shot down like the last 2 years, this is the first year they've even got to the commity stage and i think thats only because people are making such a fuss over it. also even if it was some how passed the i cant see exo terra being affected as american could still keep native and whitelisted species and exo terra are a european company arent they?
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