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Old 04-11-2009, 11:14 PM
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James here.

I haven't posted on RFUK since the aforementioned thread, because I was so disgusted by the behaviour of certain people on the forums that I frankly had no desire to continue to participate in the sort of place where a witch-hunt of the kind carried out against Lauren and Craig, and by extension Julie, could take place with the full approval (and even participation) of senior posters and moderators.

Now that the verdict has 100% vindicated Lauren and Craig and also those of us who stood by them while the press, the courts, and certain elements of these forums trashed them left and right, I feel one last post won't hurt.

Kato, after so many months, you might think you can shrug off the aforementioned quotes as "just a turn of phrase", but from my reading of events you stated TWICE - with a smug and assured laugh - that you were so sure of yourself that you'd eat your hat if this eventuality came about. Well, it has come about, and until such time that you post PICS on here of you doing just that, I'll be unable to take a single word you say as anything other than hot air. I wont hold my breath to see them though.

Maybe it's unfair to single you out, but reading back over that thread, you were bullish to the extreme, going so far as to warn me of the "dangers of libelling" the original judge (a person you hinted that you knew), claiming superior knowledge of the law, dismissing any idea that this process might be faulty, deriding the idea that the appeal might overturn the verdict - all in the face of evidence you clearly had no idea about. You weren't alone, and there are others who need to eat crow just as much as you do, but your position as a respected and senior poster on the forums gives extra weight to your posts, and gives other forum members a guide as to what is and is not acceptable.

At the very least, I'm sure you and all the others who jumped on the bandwagon in that thread would like to take this opportunity to apologise unreservedly to Julie, Lauren and Craig for the additional stress and damage to their reputation which they might justifiably have expected not to receive on a forum full of reptile enthusiasts who know just how much the hobby is already vilified by some minorities in society - and how easy it is to take a pinch of incomplete information and use it to paint any of us as villains.

As for me, I'm just delighted for them that the nightmare is over, and they can start to build back towards some kind of normality.

I now return you to your regular contributor - the lovely Julie.
I would just like to correct you there, Lauren and Craig were not one hundred per cent vindicated. But I do think that they have done well in having Convictions quoshed and wish them well.

Everyone is entitled to there opinion. Yes, I admit I am bullish and straight to the point. Also I have already said that I had hat for tea, sorry I did'nt take photos!!!!
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Old 05-11-2009, 12:33 AM
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i posted the first thread, having read about the court case ...as its good to read about bad pet shops being taken to court as so many get away with neglect

obviously you have had the convictions quoshed which for you and your family is great .....but hopefully any pet shops that do neglect may improve the care they give animals if they think that prosocutions will and do happen

well done for clearing your names ...
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Old 05-11-2009, 12:05 PM
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I am very disappointed with the amount of replies to this post. 675 people have read it and only 21 replies. Its obvious from the amount of replies to the original thread 239 that people love it when they think someone is guilty, they love reading all the nasty comments etc.
Now when Lauren shows you that she is innocent of all charges (except blocking a fire exit- which she never denied) hardly anyone wants to congratulate her and Craig.
Incidently I am also disappointed with the write up in the gazette, they are still coming across as if they think it should not have been quoshed, I'm sure there was no need to keep going on about the original charges. A lot of what was said by Lauren and Craig was not even published (again the paper printing what they like) obviously being vindicated isn't half as exciting as being found guilty.
There are still quite a few people who need to post on here who made very nasty comments against the couple.
Stephanie191 -you can now officially SHUT UP talking a load of s***e and get back to your local rep shop.
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Congratulations to you both, i wish you all the best for the future
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Congratulations to you both. I knew nothing of the original thread and tbh try to avoid the contentious stuff anyway, as a lot of people get rather carried away by their own opinions. Sometimes it feels like arguing with the pope that God doesn't exist; you just won't win!
You must have been through absolute hell, without the additional burden of nasty comments, so I'm really glad you have a resolution of sorts. Well done for keeping up the fight and clearing your name. All the best,
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Old 05-11-2009, 12:47 PM
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Congrats, its good to see that people are able to clear their name and prove people wrong, were quick to judge on here and bully, jump to conclusions etc without looking at the bigger picture or the story from the people concerned, it happens alot on here.
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Old 05-11-2009, 12:52 PM
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Congratulations on clearing your names, and good luck for the future.

I hope those people who slagged you off, now have the courage to publically admit they were wrong.
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congratulations on clearing your names and i wish you both all the best in the future whatever you decide to do and good luck on getting compensation.
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Old 05-11-2009, 01:17 PM
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You must be very happy your names were cleared on the charges that they were cleared on. I hadnt noticed this post before today. I will say the same as I did in the other thread.

I did not see the shop.. therefore cannot make a true judgement. I heard accounts of the shop being dreadful and accounts of it being fine.. and also ones of it being somewhere inbetween. This was from people who had visited the actual shop in question and had seen it over the time it was open. |With such varied accounts making a decision is almost impossible. The law makes mistakes.. it allows guilty people to walk free.. either in the first instance or on appeals however it also convicts others guilty when they are innocent. I never heard the trial, I never saw the shop or house or how the animals were kept. Everyones standards of animal keeping are different. I know what mine are. So it is hard for me to say that the shop is one in which I would have felt comfortable or uncomfortable. What some people think is acceptable others think is dreadful. This is of course a possible reason why there was many mixed reactions. However not being able to SEE the shop myself, I wont ever be able to fully decide if personally it was a shop of adequate care , cleanliness and husbandry.

However the difference between standards does not mean something is illegal or against the law. Actually breaking the law takes a HELL of a lot of mis-care and extreme poor husbandry in reptile keeping. However there are many shops operating within the law I would not frequent. Also there are many excelent reptile shops and we all have our differences so I guess it comes down to personal standard as I said earlier.

Well done on the appeal. If you do open another shop I imagine it will be this time of a very high standard..since people will possibly know the background of what has went before. This degree of pressure may be unfair however it can only make you excellent keepers in the future which is good for you AND the animals ( oh and of course the buyers in said shoppy).

A win/ win situation.

( on a side note will your names now be added back onto the rhac shack website .. since they were removed after your conviction..??)
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Old 05-11-2009, 01:23 PM
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Well done on clearing your name.
We work with the local council and can honestly say they dont have a clue when it comes to Herps (which is why our local council has people who know about the care of reptiles go with them on such cases).
I have only just seen the thread and it is sad alot of people jumped on the bandwagon.
Good luck with whatever you decide to do, I can only imagine how much stress you have been through trying to get this matter sorted.
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