Plenty of your dragons will have been inbred, or come from inbred lines, are they all healthy?

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Hey Finch, if your after stunning, interesting babies, a really nice tangerine albino jungle would be interesting! You'd get albinos, bright colours, maybe jungle if Moz carries it, I don't know if you know or could find out? But would probably get some aberrant patterns - I believe. Not too sure how jungle and aberrant are connected, if at all.... sure someone will be able to tell you.

Such as these....





Or if you want more variety, you could get a non-albino het albino, so you could get some of each....!

Just pick what you like, any baby gecko is amazing when you've hatched it yourself!

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RedGex

1.0 Iguana
11.37.3 Leopard geckos
2.2 Bearded dragons
3.5 Royal pythons
1.2 Cali Kings
2.0 Ferrets
2.1 Dogs
3 fish
0.0.1 amazing beautiful Panther Chameleon

Thanks everyone i appreciate your help cheers mate they are stunning love there color Im not to good with gentics so getting every possible idea. Moz is going to be my first male breeder so i wont to make sure i get a good morph thats going to make his babys stand out. also what would i get if i get a giant would babies also be het for giant? I am planning on getting a few more leos this year wont a apter,rapter,blazzing blizzard and a SHTCTB.

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I am well aware of that. As far as I can tell, mine are genetically sound. A lot aren't. When I got one of my Reds last year there were a few babies there that didn't look to be models of genetic strength, shall we say. Many of the highest-colour dragons show characteristic defects, e.g. slightly mis-shapen shoulders in some Blood Reds, causing the arms to twist inwards slightly. That's something I want to ensure doesn't appear in my lines, and that I know many other (mainly European) breeders are trying to either remove from their lines, or prevent it from entering in the first place, by being exceedingly careful which dragons they breed from / purchase.

Line breeding is one thing (I don't do it, and it can be done using several different, interchangeable lines, it's just less profitable), inbreeding simple recessive traits is another; especially when the animals in question are not expensive to acquire. It's down to greed and laziness - it's perfectly easy and feasible to get another unrelated / extremely distantly related (in the case of simple recessive traits that have only arisen once) animal carrying / expressing the same gene that you want, without having to risk pairing any deleterious alleles that both parent / offspring carry.

Many dog breeds show inbreeding taken to the extreme, and now have their characteristic problems, some of which are pretty serious. At present, pretty much all reptile lines are "salvageable" - if people keep encouraging casual, needless inbreeding for the next decade, that may no longer be the case, and there may be many more malformed animals hatching out.


Edit: RedGex, those leos are stunning! What sort of prices do Tangerine Jungle Albinos go for at the minute?

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Cheers Hades - the one sat to the left in the pair I got for £200 the second half of last year. Unfortunately he's no longer with us.....
he other has grown up a lovely boy and may have some babies later this year fingers crossed. He has filled in a lot now its great how much they change, hes got a cracking carrothead and tail, much brighter than the pic -



We should have some this year I think, price would depend a lot on the colour and markings, and age...... any like those 2 at the top, 120 maybe give or take depending on factors above.

Finch - SHTCTB would go well, more colour, carrot tail! Aptors and Raptors could throw out some interesting suprises, depending on the genetics of Moz.

As far as giants, did I see in a previos thread that Moz is a giant?
Basically its co-dom, so a giant is a het, so to speak.
In a nutshell if one gecko has:
No giant genes = normal size
One giant gene = giant
Two giant genes = super giant

One giant and one normal would give you half normal and half giant babies.

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RedGex

1.0 Iguana
11.37.3 Leopard geckos
2.2 Bearded dragons
3.5 Royal pythons
1.2 Cali Kings
2.0 Ferrets
2.1 Dogs
3 fish
0.0.1 amazing beautiful Panther Chameleon

He's really stunning thanks for your help mate moz parents arnt giant but PSGeckos who i got him from said they have also have tangerine albinos that have got to the same weight so maybe theres a rouge gene down the line somewhere am not sure but he is nearly 11inch long and 113grams but am not call him a giant just massive lol. I no moz is a tremper carrot head tangerine albino leopard gecko and he's not het for anything i think. Im still thinking of getting a rapter or apter first though love how they look and they are sticking in my head lol. what is a good price to pay for aptors and rapters please?

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its difficult to say what will be a good price for aptors and raptors this year, depends on how many are about,colour, age etc. At the end of the day, if you really like one and YOU feel it is a good example of something you like, then a good price is whatever you are happy to pay.

don't forget if you really like something but its slightly over what you think its worth, you can always haggle!!!

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RedGex

1.0 Iguana
11.37.3 Leopard geckos
2.2 Bearded dragons
3.5 Royal pythons
1.2 Cali Kings
2.0 Ferrets
2.1 Dogs
3 fish
0.0.1 amazing beautiful Panther Chameleon

Thanks mate money is no object, I was just woundering if there was a ruff price you pay for them. I don't mind paying up to £200 if i think the leo is worth it.

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I should think you will definately be able to buy raptors and aptors with £200 this year, probably with a bit of change!

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RedGex

1.0 Iguana
11.37.3 Leopard geckos
2.2 Bearded dragons
3.5 Royal pythons
1.2 Cali Kings
2.0 Ferrets
2.1 Dogs
3 fish
0.0.1 amazing beautiful Panther Chameleon

Cool thanks for your help again

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