Nuggett:

I personally would not call a snake that is not completely white with pigmented eyes a Leucistic. "Leucistic" comes from the root word "leucos" meaning white. A Leucistic Texas Rat snake is truly Leucistic - pure bright white nose to tailtip, with blue, grey or black eyes.

Therefore, a Super Mojave, which has markings on its head, is not a pure white snake with pigmented eyes; it's not leucistic. It's a white snake, yes - but not a totally white snake. Yes, some people have CALLED them leucistic - even knowledgeable breeders.

But then people called Patternless leopard geckos "leucistic" ... right up until folk realised that a bright yellow gecko just isn't Leucistic ... and then they discovered the much whiter Blizzard (which is more like a true leucistic, although it still doesn't meet the dictionary definition).

I could call a snake with faint yellow markings and pink eyes a "leucistic" ... but it doesn't meet the dictionary definition, even if it's mostly white (i.e. a Snow royal). I'm a stickler for using the right words, and I'm sorry if that bothers you. If someone says "Leucistic is dominant" then I'm going to correct them, because that's not technically accurate or true - and may lead to confusion about how the genes actually work. If someone says that a snake with grey head markings but a generally white body is Leucistic, I'm going to correct them, because it's not a correct usage of the term.

Now, I wouldn't argue if someone said a Super Mojave was PARTIALLY leucistic - because it is. I also wouldn't argue if someone said a Pied was partially leucistic... and what you get when you cross a Lesser het Pied to a Pied indicates that they're closer related than one might have thought.

Do you have a photographic citation of a KNOWN homozygous Mojave animal - with no chance of being a Lesser/Mojave or other White Snake Complex combination - who is pure white nose to tailtip? I've never seen one that didn't have the grey head patterning, unless they change as they age?

I like the Lesser Mojaves myself - NERD's "Vivid" is one of these.

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Lizards: 2.2 E. macularius, 1.2 H. caudicinctus, 1.0 R. ciliatus, 0.2.1 A. fragilis, 1.1 T. merianae, 1.0 V. niloticus ittibittius
Colubrids: 3.4 P. guttattus, 1.0 P. guttatus X E. climacophora, 1.0 P. o. rossalini, 1.0 P. o. lindheimeri, 0.1 E. anomala
1.2 Lamprophis spp, 1.0 L. g. nigritus, 0.1 L. g. californiae, 1.0 H. n. nasicus
Boids: 1.1 E. c. maurus, 0.1 E. conicus, 4.1 P. regius, 1.1 A. maculosa
We HAD a three-bedroom house... Current lodgers: 1.0 E. c. maurus, 1.1 E. c. loveridgei, 0.1 E. macularius, 1.0 L. t. annulata
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I don't have any photographic evidence of a True Blue Eyed Leucistic from a Mojave x Mojave Breeding. To be honest, I don't think it has been done, my original post should have been worded better (I meant that the Mojave x Mojave can produce a Leucistic looking snake rather than a pure BEL). They definately make Super Mojaves, with the washed out head markings.

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dude your getting hot headed over this. all this is not going to help the fella is it? All he wanted to know was what he would get from het x het breeding and wich snakes were het for leucistic. just go the simple wat say fireball for the leucistic and you will get a 25% chance of getting a pied. done

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2.2.0 Royal pythons
1.0.0 het albino royal pythons
0.1.0 mojave royal python
0.1.0 albino royal python
1.0.0 pastel royal python
1.0.0 spider royal python
0.1.0 Common Boa
1.0.0 sunglow corn snake
0.1.0 amel stripe corn snake
0.1.0 amel corn snake
1.1.0 corn snakes
1.1.0 rainbow Boas

But if someone assumes that the ONLY way to get a leucistic is to have two Fires they're missing out on cheaper ways of doing it (lesserXmojave for example)- and someone expecting to get a pure white snake with blue eyes out of a pair of Mojaves is probably going to be disappointed. For that matter, some people expecting to get a pure white snake with black eyes out of a pair of Fires will probably be disappointed too, since a lot of the "leucistics" wind up with yellow staining. That's why I'm trying to use absolutely technically correct terms.

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Lizards: 2.2 E. macularius, 1.2 H. caudicinctus, 1.0 R. ciliatus, 0.2.1 A. fragilis, 1.1 T. merianae, 1.0 V. niloticus ittibittius
Colubrids: 3.4 P. guttattus, 1.0 P. guttatus X E. climacophora, 1.0 P. o. rossalini, 1.0 P. o. lindheimeri, 0.1 E. anomala
1.2 Lamprophis spp, 1.0 L. g. nigritus, 0.1 L. g. californiae, 1.0 H. n. nasicus
Boids: 1.1 E. c. maurus, 0.1 E. conicus, 4.1 P. regius, 1.1 A. maculosa
We HAD a three-bedroom house... Current lodgers: 1.0 E. c. maurus, 1.1 E. c. loveridgei, 0.1 E. macularius, 1.0 L. t. annulata
Snakes'n'Adders turned my girls into boys - thanks for showing us how to probe.