Hello,

Having recently trimmed down my collection I used a combination of genetics books, and Micks Progeny Predictor to see what sort of lines I could possibly produce in the future from the corns I have at the moment.

I'd appreciate it if people could check to see if I've worked all this out right.

F1 donates hatchlings produced from crossing the two named adults.
F2 represents the progeny that could be produced by interbreeding the F1 animals.
Percentages indicate the likelihood of specific morphs occuring.




Amel Stripe X Pastel Stripe

F1 = Normal Stripes het snow & hypo


F2 =

• 14.06% Anery Stripes
• 14.06% Amel Stripes
• 4.69% Ghost Stripes
• 4.69% Snow Stripes
• 1.56% Coral Stripes (Hypo Snow stripes)

Amel Stripe X Caramel
F1 = Normals het butter & stripe
F2 =

· 14.06% Normal Stripes
· 14.06% Caramels
· 4.69% Caramel Stripes
· 4.69% Amel Stripes
· 1.56% Butter Stripes



Hypo Lavender X Amel Stripe
F1 = Normals het opal, hypo & stripe
F2 =

· 3.52% Hypo Stripes
· 3.52% Amel Stripes
· 3.52% Opals
· 3.52% Hypo Lavenders
· 3.52% Lavender Stripes
· 1.17% Hypo Opals – potential new morph?
· 1.17% Opal Stripes
· 1.17% Hypo Lavender Stripes
· 0.39% Hypo Opal Stripes – potential new morph?



Hypo Lavender X Caramel
F1 = Normals het amber & lavender
F2 =

· 14.06% Lavenders
· 14.06% Caramels
· 4.69% Caramel Lavenders – potential new morph?
· 4.69% Hypo Lavenders
· 4.69% Ambers
· 1.56% Amber Lavenders – potential new morph?




Hypo Lavender X Snow
F1 = Normals het snow, lavender & hypo.


F2 =

• 3.52% Opals
• 3.52% Hypo Lavenders
• 3.52% Anery Lavenders – potential new morph?
• 1.17% Hypo Opals – potential new morph?
• 1.17% Snopals (Lavender snows)
• 1.17% Lavender ghosts – potential new morph?
• 1.17% Corals (Hypo Snows)
• 0.39% Hypo Snow Lavenders – potential new morph?

Granite X Pastel Stripe

F1 = Anerys het hypo, bloodred & stripe.


F2 =

• 14.06% Bloodred Anerys
• 14.06% Anery Stripes
• 4.69% Bloodred Anery Stripes
• 4.69% Bloodred Ghosts
• 4.69% Ghost Stripes

Granite X Amel Stripe
F1 = Normals het snow, bloodred & stripe.


F2 =

• 10.55% Normal stripes
• 10.55% Bloodreds
• 3.52% Anery Stripes
• 3.52% Amel Stripes
• 3.52% Fires (Amel Bloodreds)
• 1.17% Snow Stripes

Granite X Caramel

F1 = Normals het anery, caramel & bloodred.


F2 =

• 14.06% Bloodreds
• 4.69% Caramel bloodreds – potential new morph?
• 4.69% Anery caramels – potential new morph?

Granite X Pastel Ghost Motley
F1 = Anerys het hypo, bloodred & motley.


F2 =

• 14.06% Bloodreds
• 14.06% Normal Motleys
• 4.69% Bloodred Motleys
• 4.69% Hypo Bloodreds

Snow X Pastel Stripe
F1 = Anerys het amel, hypo & stripe


F2 =

• 14.06% Anery stripes
• 4.69% Ghost stripes
• 4.69% Snow Stripes
• 4.69% Corals (Hypo Snows)

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I work it out in a different way to you, but the ratio for triple hets is:
27:9:9:9:3:3:3:1

So a 14.06% (9/64) chance for each of anery stripe, amel stripe, hypo stripe.
4.69% (3/64) chance for ghost stripe, snow stripe, or hypo amel stripe.
1.56% (1/64) chance for coral stripe.

You wouldn't be able to visually 100% tell snow stripe from coral stripe, as snow stripe can look very pink without being hypo based, and coral snow can look like regular snow. They would need to all be sold as snow stripes unless you keep them for test mating.

Again triple hets, so your ratio is:
27:9:9:9:3:3:3:1
normal:caramel:amel:stripe:amel stripe:caramel stripe:butter:butter stripe

The percentages again seem correct as worked out above.

The mendelian ratio for a tetrahybrid cross is:
81:27:27:27:27:9:9:9:9:9:9:3:3:3:3:1

81/256 - normals
27/256 - amel, hypo, lavender, stripe
9/256 - amel stripe, hypo stripe, lavender stripe, hypo amel, opal, hypo lavender
3/256 - opal stripe, hypo lavender stripe, hypo opal, hypo amel stripe
1/256 - hypo opal stripe

I believe both hypo opals and hypo opal stripes have already been produced. Again as per the coral example above, unless both parents are visual hypo you would need to sell the offspring as non-hypo opal or test mate them before selling them as hypo based.

I couldn't be bothered calculating to see if the percentages matched but the ratios will allow you to work them out easily enough

Triple hets so back to 27:9:9:9:3:3:3:1:

27/64 - normal
9/64 - caramel, lavender, hypo
3/64 - amber, caramel lavender, hypo lavender
1/64 - amber lavender

Again both caramel lavs and amber lavenders have been produced (I love the amber lavs), there are some pictures on cs.com if you have a search.

Quad hets - 81:27:27:27:27:9:9:9:9:9:9:3:3:3:3:1
81 - normal
27 - lavender, anery, amel, hypo
9 - anerylav, snow, hypo amel, opal, hypolav, ghost
3 - snopal, lavender ghost, coral snow
1 - hypo snopal

Nige produced lavender ghosts last year so might be able to help you with photos. Same disclaimer as above about the hypo snopals!

Hope that helps .. I don't have time to go through the rest of the list. But working out from those ratios is normally easiest when working with hets ... the ratios always stay the same when just dealing with hets:

1:2:1 - single hets
1:3:3:9 - double hets
27:9:9:9:3:3:3:1 - triple hets
81:27:27:27:27:9:9:9:9:9:9:3:3:3:3:1 - quad hets

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You forgot the Hypo Amel stripes Granted, you wouldn't know for SURE that's what you had - they'd present as Amels - but breeding one to a hypo-based morph would always produce hypo based offspring.

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Amel Stripe X Caramel

Don't forget your normals possible het stripe, your amels possible het stripe and your butters possible het stripe...

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Hypo Lavender X Amel Stripe

I'm pretty sure someone's produced Hypo Opals although maybe not hypo opal stripes YET. Again, don't forget your hypos possible het amel, lavender, stripe; your amels possible het hypo, lavender, stripe; your lavenders possible het hypo, amel, stripe...

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Hypo Lavender X Caramel

The caramel lavenders and/or the amber lavenders are what the "Peach Hypo" is suspected to be. Breeding trials haven't proven out which the Peach actually is. They look pretty much flesh-toned though

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Hypo Lavender X Snow

If your Hypo Lavender was sourced in the UK you're quite likely to get Anery het amel, lavender and hypo too - many of the lavenders over here are het or homozygous Anery.

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Anery lavenders look pretty indistinguishable from lavenders. I have a pair of anerythristics who are from a lavender male X amel stripe female; the amel stripe is het for Anery, but the breeding results from this lavender male's pairings indicate he was homozygous anery. You wouldn't know from having looked at him, though - he just looked like a nice pale grey lavender.

The Glaciers (I hate-hate-hate "snopal") can, however, be distinguished from Opals or Snows if you know what you're looking for - they do wind up looking a lot like Blizzards by comparison. I suspect a hypo glacier would be distinguishable too.

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Granite X Pastel Stripe

And Ghost-blood stripes, and lots of neither blood nor stripe...

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Granite X Amel Stripe

And normal blood stripes, fire stripe, granite stripe, avalanche stripe... though identifying the homozygous blood AND stripe will be difficult.

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Granite X Caramel

Anery caramels as per Rich Zuchowski are very clean, contrasty anerythristics. They don't look "caramel" at all. The only way to prove one out would be to breed to a caramel and get nothing but caramel offspring.

Caramel bloods already exist, although I don't know if there's a trade name for them yet.

Don't forget the Granites and Anery-Caramel bloods you could get...

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Granite X Pastel Ghost Motley

Nope. You would not get a single non-Anery offspring if both parents are homozygous anery. You'd get Anery Bloods, Ghost Bloods, Anery Motley-Bloods, Ghost Motleys, Anery Motleys, Ghost Motley-Bloods...

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Snow X Pastel Stripe

Plus the chances of coral snow stripe and non-stripe offspring of all different Anery-based flavours

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BASICALLY YOU ARE GONNA GET SOME NICEEEEE MORPHS!!!!

pm me when u gt em i may [] be interested!!!

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some goos projects, but EVERY single one you have mentioned as potential new, has been done, although some very recently.
dont let that out you off, if you have the time, the patients and space, then i say got for it.