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Old 15-05-2008, 10:18 AM
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you're missing the point a touch.

All corn snake morphs are recessive (bar one, maybe two but we'll ignore them) which means BOTH snakes have to carry the gene to produce snakes of that morphs.

using bloodred as an example:

If you wanted to make blood reds you will need two snakes carrying the bloodred gene so no breeding with your hypo corn will ever make a bloodred (unless it's het/invisibly carrying bloodred, but I suspect you'd know if it was as it would have been advertised/charged as such)

Now simply replace the word "bloodred" with the morph of your choice and there's your explanation.

If you wanted to make bloodreds then you'll need a female blood red, breed it to your hypo, hatch the eggs and breed one of the hatchlings back to the bloodred. You'd then have your bloodreds amongst other things.
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Old 15-05-2008, 10:22 AM
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which would be £50-60???

so from a hypo type A offspring could i get a bloodred??? if so HOW!!
I think £50-60 is a bit optimistic in the breeders world. £20-40 would be a better estimate.
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Old 15-05-2008, 10:43 AM
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yeah, i'd expect to pay £30 for a hypo, they aint much more at shop prices, as for geting anything rarer/unusual etc, you really need to play the long game and do it over a couple of generations, but that means getting a suitable partner and waiting a while, any pics of your hypos?
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so basically what i would now like to know how would i get a pieside corn from the hypo (this is probs a really dumbass question) would i have to bree her to a pieside??? if that isnt possible what would be the nicest (not nesseserially the most expensive) morph i could get from a hypo???
The only morph you are GUARANTEED to get from a hypo is...

More hypos.

If you breed it to anything that isn't or doesn't carry hypo, the only morph you are guaranteed is normals.
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Old 15-05-2008, 03:15 PM
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so if i bred it to something with a hypo such as a bloodred hypo i would STILL get more hypos??? is that all????
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That's right. You'd get hypos who are het for bloodred.

If you bred one of those back to the Hypo Bloodred (or to an unrelated bloodred) you could get some bloodred offspring (and to the hypo blood you'd get hypo bloods and hypos het blood).

Basically, if your pair of corn snakes don't BOTH carry (whether het or homozygous) a recessive gene you won't see any offspring that show the trait. All you can get is offspring who are carriers of the gene.
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check this out, you will be able to work out what gives what, in theory.

and some good info on here i guess about corn snake morphs and how to produce American Cornsnake Registry - Home

sorry cant help more, dont know nothing about corns, just my boas
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Old 16-05-2008, 01:08 PM
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So heres another i presume this is right:

a hypo x diffused would give a hypo bloodred??? therefore being hhhhDdDd
Is that right or not???
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No, a hypo x diffused would give you all normals het for hypo bloodred. The only visual babies you can get from a hypo snake is normal and hypo, if put to another hypo.

Unless they have any hets you will never get any other visuals out of them regardless of what you put them to.

If you put the het hypo bloodred babies together when they are old enough, you then have a "chance" of producing hypo bloodreds as both parents would carry the genes.

I find Micks cornsnake progeny calculator the easiest to use to start understanding how morphs work.

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So heres another i presume this is right:

a hypo x diffused would give a hypo bloodred??? therefore being hhhhDdDd
Is that right or not???
A Hypo is hhDD.
A bloodred is HHdd.*

The offspring of this pairing are HhDd - they are neither Hypo nor Bloodred, but they carry one copy of each trait (one from each parent).

*For simplicity's sake I've marked bloodred as recessive. There's some evidence it's codominant with a 'visible het' appearance.
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