Hmph some questions...

freekygeeky · #1 (**permalink**) 17-05-2008, 10:03 AM

Its drivign me mad, i cant breed from him yet, but i want to know what he is!!!!!!

A mack or a normal. What do you recon.

This is him last night, he has a real unusual face...

His mum was a mack enigma, dad was i think a hypo. (ginaT)

Is Lem still looking like a high yellow or?

mum was a super hypo tang, and dad a tremper.

Dark ''normals'' - i knwo it can be stress or temp but i have 2 living togther, and one by itsself, 2 of them are so very very dark and on is normal, why is this?

when they were babies

Ssthisto · #2 (**permalink**) 17-05-2008, 11:30 AM

1. Absolutely no way to tell without breeding him to a KNOWN mack or super snow. If you get super snow offspring out, he's a Mack. If you don't, he probably isn't.

2. Lem looks like a 'pretty normal' to me. Yes, he's got enhanced yellow colouration.

3. Dark normals can be caused by low INCUBATION temperatures too (same as "chocolate" albinos). It can also just be how they develop with age.

freekygeeky · #3 (**permalink**) 17-05-2008, 11:46 AM

1. Absolutely no way to tell without breeding him to a KNOWN mack or super snow. If you get super snow offspring out, he's a Mack. If you don't, he probably isn't.

thank you. he is now commign up to a year, so soon he can breed.
i do have a female mack, so he can breed with her. if he isnt a mack... but she is will i get macks still, beavcuse of her, or isnt it dominant? ...
hope that makes sense.

2. Lem looks like a 'pretty normal' to me. Yes, he's got enhanced yellow colouration.

ok thank you!! i dont mind what she is, btu i was hoping she coudl turn out liek her mum... maybe not :P

3. Dark normals can be caused by low INCUBATION temperatures too (same as "chocolate" albinos). It can also just be how they develop with age.[/quote]

i seee, thank you. it really is amazing. straneg strange looking. i dotn knwo if its beaucse of the same thing, but the two who are dark both have really spikey skin, their scales are much largr and spiker than my other leos..

Diablo · #4 (**permalink**) 17-05-2008, 02:17 PM

Breed the suspected mack to a normal if you get mack off spring then you will know hun

Ssthisto · #5 (**permalink**) 17-05-2008, 02:19 PM

If your "maybe-mack" male isn't a mack, you would still expect to get some Mack snows because your female is a Mack; the only reason you won't get Mack Super Snows is because the gene is not dominant, it's codominant. Takes two copies (one from each parent) to get the Super Snow patterning, only takes one copy from one parent to get the Mack Snow pattern and colour.

Interesting that the two darker normals have bigger, spikier scales... that makes me think it might be a genetic thing and quite possibly a 'throwback' to one of the wild subspecies of leopard gecko that make up the "domestic" leos.

Ssthisto · #6 (**permalink**) 17-05-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Diablo

Breed the suspected mack to a normal if you get mack off spring then you will know hun

Diablo

That wouldn't actually prove it's a Mack Snow.

You could have a Gem snow or TUG Snow that would do the same thing (produce snows).

Or you could wind up with some low-yellow offspring who superficially look like Macks but will not produce the super form when combined with another Mack Snow - the only genuine test is "does it make super snows when bred to a known Snow"

freekygeeky · #7 (**permalink**) 17-05-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ssthisto

Diablo

That wouldn't actually prove it's a Mack Snow.

You could have a Gem snow or TUG Snow that would do the same thing (produce snows).

Or you could wind up with some low-yellow offspring who superficially look like Macks but will not produce the super form when combined with another Mack Snow - the only genuine test is "does it make super snows when bred to a known Snow"

technicle!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ssthisto

If your "maybe-mack" male isn't a mack, you would still expect to get some Mack snows because your female is a Mack; the only reason you won't get Mack Super Snows is because the gene is not dominant, it's codominant. Takes two copies (one from each parent) to get the Super Snow patterning, only takes one copy from one parent to get the Mack Snow pattern and colour.

Interesting that the two darker normals have bigger, spikier scales... that makes me think it might be a genetic thing and quite possibly a 'throwback' to one of the wild subspecies of leopard gecko that make up the "domestic" leos.

thank you very much. it is interestign about the spikes.. hmm ill try to take some better pics tonight. Ill breed Snow and frostie togteh rat the end of the year, and ill come back to you!! thank you you two!

Diablo · #8 (**permalink**) 17-05-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ssthisto

Diablo

That wouldn't actually prove it's a Mack Snow.

You could have a Gem snow or TUG Snow that would do the same thing (produce snows).

Or you could wind up with some low-yellow offspring who superficially look like Macks but will not produce the super form when combined with another Mack Snow - the only genuine test is "does it make super snows when bred to a known Snow"

But your not always garrentied super snows from a mack snow to mack snow pairing....

Ssthisto · #9 (**permalink**) 18-05-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Diablo

But your not always garrentied super snows from a mack snow to mack snow pairing....

Not in the short term - but over several pairings, if you didn't get one out of say, fifty hatchlings, you probably don't have a mack Snow.

Ideally you'd put him to several super snows; the chances of not getting a super in one year of reasonable clutches if he's a mack are minimal.

Diablo · #10 (**permalink**) 18-05-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ssthisto

Not in the short term - but over several pairings, if you didn't get one out of say, fifty hatchlings, you probably don't have a mack Snow.

Ideally you'd put him to several super snows; the chances of not getting a super in one year of reasonable clutches if he's a mack are minimal.

Yeah but that is alot of time lol and space.

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