Yes, that would be right. Caramel coastals are co-dominant.

Diamonds and jungles are subspecies of morelia spilota (morelia spilota spilota and morelia spilota cheynei respectively). Jaguars are a morph of the coastal carpet (morelia spilota mcdowelli).

Well, a 75% jungle jag sib is 75% jungle and 25% coastal. Breeding that to a jungle would increase the % jungle blood by half, so 88% jungle, 12% coastal.

Yes to the 88% jungle, but no to the jags/normals. Jonnydotcom was asking about jaguar siblings rather than visual jaguars.

ah missed the sibs bit.

So is a Caramel Jag possible? If so are there many about what sort of money do they fetch?

I bought a caramel coastal basically because she was gorgeous, but would like to get a male to breed with her. I'm not in it just for the cash, I wold liek to produce some nice carpets for my own collection, but I wouldn't be able to keep back all of the offspring so an idea of what I should ask for them would be useful

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Yup. Paul Harris has some: Caramel Coastal Jaguar

All very confusing...

So what do you get if you:
1. Cross a jungle with an irian jaya?
2. Cross a jungle with a 50% het granite irian jaya?

And don't say a mess!!!

I'm only new to all this with two irian jayas... a friend has a jungle. Just wondered what offspring they might produce... I'm not intending to pair them and also not sure it would produce anything desireable... but just trying to get my head around carpets, carpet crosses, etc...

A jungle x IJ would be a 50% jungle x IJ

50% het only means that there is a 50% chance its a het, it will either prove out to be 100% het or not het at all, the only way to prove this is to breed to another granite. If you could prove that the het granite was 100% het granite then you would have the following odds:-

75% chance of 50% jungle x IJ
25% chance of 50% jungle x IJ het granite

They would all look 'normal' so you wouldn't know which were het and which weren't meaning you would sell all of the off spring as 50% Jungle x IJ 25% granite, which TBH won't be worth any more than the plain 50% jungle x IJ's from the first scenario.

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So really you gain nothing from this pairing? Or would there be a colour or marking variation?

I would be better off pairing my 50% granite het male irian jaya with my 50% granite het female irian jaya? That way if both carry the granite het, there is a chance of producing some granite irian jayas? Or have I picked it up wrong?

I've seen granite irian jayas and I really do not understand the prices they command... personally they are not my taste!

if you have 50% het male and female then yes if they both turn out to be het, then you have a 25% chance of producing a granite, but if you don't like them is there much point anyway?

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The idea of breeding them for granites is not what appeals... its the idea of learning more about them as a whole and also getting to the stage where I would have the knowledge and ability to be able to get them breeding.

As I said already... I'm very new to all this and already find myself wondering what I'll put in the viv when the pair I have outgrow it in a year or so... reading thru other posts on this forum this seems to be a common problem!

Just looking at percentages and so I can understand better...

Both are 50% het granite... so this means that there is a 50% chance that they carry the het gene?
So one may carry it and therefore be 100% het granite? but you wouldn't know till you breed probably more than once?
The other may not carry it so would just be normal Irian Jaya? so even mating with a 100% het granite would still produce normals? or would these then have the posibility of being het?

And if you had two 100% hets... would they always produce granites? or is there only a chance that they might produce granites?

Sorry for all the questions... it probably seems very basic to someone that knows what they are talking about... On an aside note and not wanting to change the topic of the forum... can you recommend a simple but kind of indepth and worthwhile book on carpets?

Who did you buy the het granites off ?

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