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Old 19-09-2007, 08:54 PM
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ok so corns need both parents to share the genetic traits to have visual results.
My question is this, is it the same for boas and pythons? for example breeding an irian jaya carpet to a jungle jag carpet??? would the results be visual on the first clutch?
also lizards like beardies and cresties, do they show visual results on first clutches of say a Beardie: sandfire x gold or crestie: super dalmation x blonde?
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i was going to ask pretty much the same question.

but i wanted to know if i breed my male jungle carpet with my female 75% jungle jaguar python what would the offspring be?
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ok so corns need both parents to share the genetic traits to have visual results.
My question is this, is it the same for boas and pythons?
Quick answer: In boas and pythons it is the same with MOST of the mutant genes, but it is not the same for ALL of the mutant genes. For what its worth, it isn't even the same for all mutants in the California king snake. Look up dominant and codominant (AKA incomplete dominant) mutant genes.

I'm not up on carpet python or bearded dragon mutants. Sorry.
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i was going to ask pretty much the same question.

but i wanted to know if i breed my male jungle carpet with my female 75% jungle jaguar python what would the offspring be?
88% jungle jags would love to see your female? where did you get her?
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Old 20-09-2007, 07:23 PM
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There is nothing special about reptile genetics, its the same as human genetics.
Certain genes act in certain ways and the most common in our hobby is a recessive gene which needs both parents to carry it.
Though albino works the same in humans as in leopard geckos and so on..

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ok so corns need both parents to share the genetic traits to have visual results.
My question is this, is it the same for boas and pythons? for example breeding an irian jaya carpet to a jungle jag carpet??? would the results be visual on the first clutch?
also lizards like beardies and cresties, do they show visual results on first clutches of say a Beardie: sandfire x gold or crestie: super dalmation x blonde?
There are several different kinds of traits.

Not all corn morphs need to have both parents carrying the SAME trait in order to produce visual results.
For example: Motley and Stripe, where stripe is recessive to motley, and both are recessive to "not motley or stripe" - or to Ultra and Amel, which are each recessive to "not amel or ultra" - but are codominant to each other.

Basically, you can get:

Recessive visual mutations - these require two copies of a mutant gene to show any visual effect (one copy from each parent). Animals that carry only one mutant gene copy will look "wild type" for that trait. This is a simple on/off switch.
Dominant visual mutations - these require at least one copy of a mutant gene to show a visual effect, but a single copy mutant looks the same as a two copies mutant. This is a simple on/off switch.
Co/Incomplete Dominant visual mutations - these will change the appearance of an animal who has one OR two copies - but a single-copy mutant animal looks different to a double-copy mutant animal. This is a simple on/off switch.

Lastly, you get:

Polygenic and selectively bred mutations - These are not simple on-off switches - they may involve multiple sets of recessive, dominant or codominant genes all working together, and generally mean that breeding an animal that is visually "polygenic trait" to an animal that is not visually polygenic will have unpredictable results - you may get something like a blend of the two traits, if you're working with a polygenic that has some dominant trait aspects, or you could just get wild-type animals.

If you know what KIND of mutation the trait is, it works exactly the same way, whether you're talking pythons, pointers or peas ... but until you know HOW the trait is inherited, you can't make any logical guesses. Part of working with new genes and morphs is working out what kind of trait it is so you can get some sort of predictability of results.
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