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Old 21-02-2008, 12:05 PM
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ghost to caramel - all normal het anery, hypo and caramel

carolina motley het caramel to caramel - half clutch normal het motley and caramel, other half caramel het motley

ghost to ghost - all ghost

carolina motley het caramel to ghost - all normal het anery, hypo and motley, 50% poss het caramel

as for a male to go with *both* of them..... the 2 females you have don't share any of the same genetic traits. to get 'pretty' babies of out both of them using the same male in the first generation he'd need to show or carry some or all of the mutant genes the females have, so could turn out to be hard to find or expensive.

think you need to decide what babies you're aiming for, then see whether you need one male with (visual or het) traits in common with each of the females, or a male for each of them, or a longer term project....
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Old 25-02-2008, 08:44 AM
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Can some one please tell me what i would get if i put a Charcoal to a Lavender Corn

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Old 25-02-2008, 11:05 AM
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A few years ago I struggled with Genetics not because genetics is difficult but I had a concept of colours in my head that stopped the genetics rules getting in. One day the penny dropped and cleared my mind then all the tutorials on genetics make sense.
I think all the tutorials/idiots guides should include something like this first.

Colours

The first thing to get out of your head is that a red snake crossed with a white snake will make a pink snake. It does not work like that at all; it is not like mixing paint!

Do get it into your head that the colour genes do not make a colour; they simply hide a colour or exaggerate a colour. So every single corn snake is basically a normal colour they have red, black, a bit of yellow and they all have an undercoat colour not normally visible of white.

If you then give a snake say the Amel gene you are making the black transparent it is still there just transparent so the black goes and you can see the white undercoat making an Amel looking snake. If you then breed the Amel snake to a snake that has not got the Amel gene the babies will appear normal again. The Anery gene hides the red making it look black and a bit of the black mixing with the white undercoat to create the silver background. If you then give a snake both the Amel and Anery you are hiding both red and black leaving basically just the undercoat of white. You still have the little bit of yellow that increases with age along the sides. The Caramel gene is similar to Anery it mostly reduces the red but increases the yellow to give a gold and brown look. The Hypo type genes are a bit like Amel but rather than making the black transparent they make it semi transparent giving the snake a lighter look. e.g. a Ghost is a Hypo Anery, the Anery hides the red and the Hypo hides half the black.
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Colours

The first thing to get out of your head is that a red snake crossed with a white snake will make a pink snake. It does not work like that at all; it is not like mixing paint!
True. It is not like mixing paint.

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Do get it into your head that the colour genes do not make a colour; they simply hide a colour or exaggerate a colour. So every single corn snake is basically a normal colour they have red, black, a bit of yellow and they all have an undercoat colour not normally visible of white.
Actually, color genes do make color. The normal genes at many locations in the genome work together to produce red, black, white, etc. Mutant genes act like defective machines in an assembly line. If all the machines are working properly, the line outputs what is expected. If one machine is not working right, the line either outputs nothing or outputs something more or less different from what was expected.

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If you then give a snake say the Amel gene you are making the black transparent it is still there just transparent so the black goes and you can see the white undercoat making an Amel looking snake.
There is a problem with this phrasing. It gives the impression that black pigment forms and then an extra step makes the black pigment invisible. From what we know of the biochemistry, the defective amelanistic mutant gene makes it impossible to make the black pigment at all.

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If you then breed the Amel snake to a snake that has not got the Amel gene the babies will appear normal again. The Anery gene hides the red making it look black and a bit of the black mixing with the white undercoat to create the silver background. If you then give a snake both the Amel and Anery you are hiding both red and black leaving basically just the undercoat of white. (snip)
It is more accurate to say that the anerythristic mutant gene makes it impossible to make orange/red pigment in the first place. There is no hiding of pigment. A snake that is both amelanistic and anerythristic cannot make black pigment and cannot make orange/red pigment.
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Thanks Paul.

I know it may not be technicaly correct. but I feel all tutorials on understanding genetics miss out this idiot stage, that's how I thought of it. If you get to technical at this stage new people will loose the plot.
Can someone re-write what I was trying to say to form the very first step in understanding genetics idiots guide.
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have you seen the results from rich z caramel to lavender project? they are awesome, only thing is it took 2 years for the snake to change
where can i see these?
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hi, can someone id this corn morph please, ta
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I have seen Chelles snake and it has a grey head and weird belly markings, I wondered if it could be het bloodred?
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1.1 Bloodred, 0.1 Bloodred het hypo lavender, 1.1 Butter motley het stripe, 1.1 Lavender, 0.1 Stripe poss het amel, anery and hypo, 1.0 Amel motley poss het butter, 1.0 Hypo het caramel amel and anery, 0.1 Ghost, 0.1 Snow, 1.0 Ultramel poss het Anery, 1.1 Normal het opal stripe, 1.1 normal het lavender stripe poss he Amel Anery Hypo.
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ta dawn, his mam was anery and pop was (i think) hypo.
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