It's a shame these details (if they can be backed up) aren't up on a site somewhere for everyone to see.

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The question Rory is WHO would write such a thing? Who would we all feel comfortable with writing up a document that could in time become the basis of prosecutions against us.

I would be extremely uncomfortable if these COP's weren't written correctly, by people who don't have an understanding of the species.

With regards to the RSPCA, yes having reptile keeping inspectors would be great. I did know one guy who was local to a reptile shop, he was big into inverts and had a good interest in reptiles, he was even in Rolf's animal hospital a few times but not seen him for a good few years now. Anyway, the main thing is that being an inspector would change the fundamental problem with the RSPCA....you need to be on the ruling council.

Now of course that's possible but it would need a good 3000+ people to become members, then nominate a 'reptile / pro-animal' member and then vote them in....much like how the current AR members got in.

Sadly that day will never happen, you wouldn't find 3000 animal keepers to agree on a member to put on the ruling council and even if by a miracle you did, then I'm 100% sure the ruling council will have a 'get out clause' to chuck you back off if you disagreed with the policies.

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Surely the point is if the CoPs are correct for the species and therefore become law as to how that species is kept, the ruling councils powers of doing what they want are effectively removed. As long as you keep the animal according to it's CoP then by rights, nobody can touch you since all you would need to do is prove you were adhering to it.

As Scott says, the big question is who writes the things ? But if nobody else does, the RSPCA surely will and going by their Royal Python care sheet this may not be good news.

I really don't think 'the hobby' will ever write them. Keepers that claim to be experienced cannot even agree on whether or not species of reptile should be kept together or singly and what they should be kept in... so what chance do we have of writing a code of practice for them ?

But... if nobody does it soon, it will be done for us.

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Heres another thought instead of downright pi##ing rspca inspectors off why not help them by providing a guide with the minimum viv,heating,lighting requirements for kept herps species.

I know its a monumental task to undertake but its better that them(rspca) having thousands of logged reports of herp keepers being funny with them.Because all it looks like is that we have something to hide.
As you must all realise that every time we refuse them access to our reps even when they have no right to see them they file reports.
If keeping reps is going to survive we have to have a united front.

I for 1 will not loose the rights to keep reps.
But the demise of this ''hobby'' is going to be destroyed from within not from an outside source if were not carefull.
How can we stand up & be counted in the face of the RSPCA & gouvernment when we cant agree on the basic principles we should all agree with.

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it scares me really how little the forum is enlightened

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a course is already done for the rspca its a 6 week reptile course they have to go through every year.

just thought id add that the course is run by dean who has a passion for keeping reptiles himself and has been running a while now

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Why dont you point people in the right direction to proof of this information........if possible.......

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6 weeks...

We get 2 people that have been keeping the same species for 15 years arguing over the right way to do it.

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Exactlt what i was going to say.
And to think were meant to bend over for an organisation that give there staff 6 weeks training.
Also id like to point out that there staff's ''training'' mainly involves handling & not husbandry needs/requirements.

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actually there made to create a viv and setup not just handling ps dean has something like 20 years knowledge.

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so how many differant types of husbandry requirements can they learn and retain the knowledge for in 6 weeks?

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