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0.0.2 butterfly agama

So now your telling us that because they have to make & viv & light & heat it & that they are taught by somone who has 20years reptile keeping experience.
that,that makes them qualified enough to comment/judge keepers who have kept healthy reptiles for a damned longer that 6 weeks.
What you also fail to realise is there officers also recieve training on rural animals too. even when these officers are deployed in big city locations.
Just because you can hamanely kill a cow doesnt make you a farmer.

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Reptilerescue hull, do you work with the rspca, just asking where your insight coems from as others have also asked and it would help.

I know [i think] you just took over the username here and the rescue so perhaps soem backround?

So are we wrong about the rspca politics or not?

Also, i think stormtrooper said why not educate the rspca inspectors on things instead of making enemies of them...but reading between th elines..i assume they are under the impression, as are you, that they know best anyway? thats what i think the dissagreements are about...

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Please acknowledge.

You honestly telling me the rspca inspectors spend 240 hours to learn about reptiles EVERY year? No of course not.

Even IF they had highly trained and well experianced inspectors what difference will that make long term to the reptile keeping hobbyist? Nothing! why? because it is the RSPCA ruling council that makes policy and petitions MP's into making legislation...not the foot soilders in there pretend police uniforms.

People must start to realise that there are TWO sides to the rspca and unfortunately for us they are VERY good at keeping them seperate and hiding the agenda / motives of the council (although perhaps printing in their published material that they are against the sales animals of through PET SHOPS and that they are against the keeping of ANY non-domestic animal, wasn't a good idea..and don't kid yourself into thinking ANY reptile will be deemed dosmestic by the RSPCA or any of it's highly paid advisors/'experts'!)

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Dean this quote came directly from there website.''we fully support and uphold the RSPCAS rules regarding reptile keeping in the uk.''
So what there saying is there happy to rescue/rehome reptiles but agree that they have no place in the uk.
A Contradiction at its extreme i think.

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As much as I agree that 6 weeks a year is really not enough to know how to do one species well, let alone the hundreds that are kept in captivity in the UK.

I think the thread is actually about is politics more important than the welfare of the animals we keep ?

As all we are doing is arguing about whether the RSPCA are up to the job of policing the AWA... it would imply that it is ?

We seem to be stuck on the point of who should be writing the CoP's for the keeping of reptiles bearing in mind the welfare of our animals depends on them.

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The ONLY way forward I would suggest is for either the IHS or BHS to step in and take the reigns.

I would suggest that a simple format is agreed, this would be agreed on a voting majority by the IHS & BHS membership (remember everyone is allowed to join either society).

Once a format is agreed, then CoP's can be drafted by ANYONE who cares to make the effort.

They can then be passed over to CoP panel (a selection of 20 - 30 people who can be voted onto the panel, again via IHS or BHS). The panel will then amend, reject or accept the CoP for each species. Again majority rule on the panel.

I would like the idea of a simple format that takes into account the needs of the animals to allow for long life and successful breeding. It shouldn't focus on too many fine details but instead allow for a wide range of methods to allow the end result...good health, long life and willingness to breed.

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I have noticed since this section has been up, that the majority of people posting here go away and mull over what they're about to say. So they will come back at a later time and make a very long post with the information and their message.

Someone to supply that kind of information would be required to have some sort of certification in order to provide it, aswell as many years experience aswell as published papers providing their findings to back up their statements and facts. I doubt many of us on these forums can go write up an article and get a body such as the RSPCA and even people like Chris Newman and the FBH to recognise it, because most of us are herp keepers and havent done any real research etc. For example, how many of you have gone and watched these animals that you keep, in their own habitat in the wild?

People come on these forums, people state they know stuff. And will provide the information the next day, and that it will blow us away, or surprise us. Yet we rarely get to see this kind of information, so. My question is.. Why don't a few of the people who have access to this information (Without it being illegal and private and so on) show us all the facts we should be able to read and see? Surely each week it'll take say 3-5 people an hour each, as they always seem to read the info in their own time, why not write a thread each week keeping people up to date and so on? Or am i talking rubbish here?

It is possible. Just most people don't want to give out that kind of information.

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Point taken Trice,
I'll start by backing up one of my statements.

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Thanks for that pam.

One of the first points i read on that link:
And tbh, they should have an opinion, but i don't believe they should have grounds on which to enforce their opinions with regards to laws and so on.

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My Reptiles
0.1.0 Amel Corn Snake (Elaphe guttata guttata)
1.0.0 Snow Corn Snake(Elaphe guttata guttata)
0.1.0 Colombian Rainbow Boa(Epicrates cenchria maurus)
0.1.0 Honduras Boa
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1.1.0 Dwarf Sand Gecko (Stendoactylus Sthenodactylus)
1.1.0 Bearded Dragons (Adults)(Pogona vitticeps)
0.0.1 Bearded Dragons (Hatchlings)(Pogona vitticeps)
0.0.2 Bearded Pygmy Chameleons
0.0.2 European Tree Frogs
0.0.1 Horsfield Tortoise (Testudo horsfieldii)


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