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again i apologise for going off topic but sick of people taking digs at us when there ill informed with pure tripe. i am going to bed now as i HAVE a job to go to and cant be up till silly o'clock laughing at the tripe some member keep spouting
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Lizards- 2 Bearded dragons, 4 yellow throated plated lizards, 5 Birbon geckos, 16 leos, 4 fat tails, 3 tokay geckos, 1 curly tailed lizard, 2 dwarf sungazers Other animals- 7 Labrador, 3 ferrets, 10 degus, 3 chins, 1 chipmunks, 100mice n rats, 20 odd gerbils, , 7 hamsters, 13 spiny mice, 2 stripey mice, 4 guniea fowl, 2 old english game chickens, 2:2 cream legbars, 6 silver applyard ducks, 1:3 Gold Dutch Chickens, 1:2 Black Turkeys, 4 Bourbon red turkeys, 5 Bronze Turkey
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The last time I knew you were there was when you were trying to sell your light guards. Hmmm. Well, maybe next time.
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 now go back to the "king" (so funny) and kiss his feet as i have had enough putting these stupid personal lies straight
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Lizards- 2 Bearded dragons, 4 yellow throated plated lizards, 5 Birbon geckos, 16 leos, 4 fat tails, 3 tokay geckos, 1 curly tailed lizard, 2 dwarf sungazers Other animals- 7 Labrador, 3 ferrets, 10 degus, 3 chins, 1 chipmunks, 100mice n rats, 20 odd gerbils, , 7 hamsters, 13 spiny mice, 2 stripey mice, 4 guniea fowl, 2 old english game chickens, 2:2 cream legbars, 6 silver applyard ducks, 1:3 Gold Dutch Chickens, 1:2 Black Turkeys, 4 Bourbon red turkeys, 5 Bronze Turkey
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Any chance we can keep this on thread topic please?
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snakes- 0:1 Macklotts water Python, 10 Royal Pythons 18 Corns, 21 boas various hets and morphs, 1 diadem rat snake, 3 baird rat snakes, 2 hoggies, 4 sand boas, 2 tai beauty snakes, 1 albino burmese....
Lizards- 2 Bearded dragons, 4 yellow throated plated lizards, 5 Birbon geckos, 16 leos, 4 fat tails, 3 tokay geckos, 1 curly tailed lizard, 2 dwarf sungazers Other animals- 7 Labrador, 3 ferrets, 10 degus, 3 chins, 1 chipmunks, 100mice n rats, 20 odd gerbils, , 7 hamsters, 13 spiny mice, 2 stripey mice, 4 guniea fowl, 2 old english game chickens, 2:2 cream legbars, 6 silver applyard ducks, 1:3 Gold Dutch Chickens, 1:2 Black Turkeys, 4 Bourbon red turkeys, 5 Bronze Turkey
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edit. Thinking about it, its not helpfull at all.
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Joan was quizzical, studied pataphysical Science in the home Late nights all alone with her a test tube Oh, oh, oh, oh Maxwell Edison, majoring in medicine Calls her on the phone "Can I take you out to the pictures Jo-o-o-oan?" But as she's getting ready to go A knock comes on the door Bang! Bang! Maxwell's silver hammer came down upon her head Clang! Clang! Maxwell's silver hammer made sure that she was dead Back in school again Maxwell plays the fool again Teacher gets annoyed Wishing to avoid and unpleasant scene-e-e-ene She tells Max to stay when the class has gone away So he waits behind Writing fifty times "I must not be so-o-o-o But when she turns her back on the boy He creeps up from behind Last edited by DeanThorpe; 09-04-2008 at 01:59 PM.
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With this thread, l have been asked if l am changing the colour of my flags?
No, not really. Yes to those whom have commented, l have been critical of them in the past [RSPCA], and l dare say l will be critical of them in the future. Animal Welfare is paramount, quite probably more so since the updating of the animal welfare act, passed last year. It is now back in the focus of today’s legislation, and as such this subject is now surrounded by politics. Keepers did not get involved with their animals for politics but through passion, and enthusiasm. A genuine interest in their charges. This thread was of two halves; RSPCA & CoP’s – but only one issue in the main, which was the welfare of animals. Has the RSPCA become too political and did they, do they have a choice? Yes l believe the RSPCA HQ is political, yes they have a choice and they have taken the path they are on. But, what l am saying is this, and this is not forgetting that they are a charity; with everything that is going on with this issue, is there a choice for any organisation or a charity in this case, to not be political? Whether this is right or wrong as laid out in the rulings of the commission? That was the question. The Charity commission has lain out that a charity should not be political, but yet the RSPCA are, or are they? They do not stress that they are political, they do stress that animal welfare is their prime concern, and as l have said, the legislation of today’s climate has made Animal Welfare political. So working on that guise are the RSPCA political or are they merely exercising their concerns in a political market? As someone said to me recently, ‘the RSPCA could not avoid the politics due to the sheer size of their charity’. They are a political animal, there is – tbh – no denying this. The Headquarters make their views known, very well known. The franchisees that sit below them, the Local centres l do not believe to be as politically motivated as their leading brand is. Like the keepers here, l am also concerned over the RSPCA and the way they are known and seen to conduct themselves. But what l was trying to focus on was the topic of animal welfare and was it being neglected for the sake of the politics that surround the legislation? The point behind the thread is this, the RSPCA are either writing codes of practice or declining others, so one can not say that they have not been busy. Animal welfare in whatever form they concentrate on is being looked at seriously. Why do they keep backing out of their commitments to codes of practice previously written? Why back out of the rabbits, why back out of the primates? WHY? Political? Not getting their way? Not happy with the completed product? Not happy with the content? Were the CoP’s not structured properly? Not tough enough, too tough? Or could it be said if we listened to the politics that the RSPCA does not wish to handle in/under their management species that are considered too difficult? The Hidden agenda is often talked of, and if we look at politically correct responses to questions posed to them, we can see no hidden anything, but perhaps there is one there, to make like easier for them, the animals, the keepers? I do not know the answers to these questions, what l do think however is this: We need to see Exotic Species CoP’s to ensure that we have a defence in place ………. "If the RSPCA are in fact writing up Codes of Practice, where are ours, where is our defence to the RSPCA should the need arise". My question in this thread, and a response from another forum. ‘But Codes are NOT a defence Rory - Defra states that on its Website. However, failure to follow a Code could result in prosecution! How double Dutch is that?!’ The Reptile Codes of Practice need to be addressed, as difficult as that is going to be. But the reptile keeper, private keepers must ask louder than they are doing, where are they, what is being done about them, who is writing them, has the work started yet? Can we the private keeper help? If the likes of the RSPCA write up a code on a reptile, and they see that as gospel, because the reptile community does not have a code in place, then what can they use as comparison to whether a keeper has adhered to the code correctly or not? [Past experience would display to us, that they do lack knowledge in certain fields, reptiles and exotics are these fields]. They can not, and as that response to me from another forum stated – ‘However, failure to follow a Code could result in prosecution!’ If the exotic market does not have codes in place, and any keeper finds themselves in court, under prosecution for breaking the code, what chance do we have then? Yes to the asker, l am working on a primate code, with 12 other keepers, and 5 observers, and it is slow process, and when it completed l will submit it to those who wish to see it for comment, editing, criticism, mocking or rejection. And we will show it on the new Website as the guide to what we are working on as a guide to primate keeping in the 21st century. In a series of questions recently posed to the RSPCA Does the RSPCA believe there are any species of animal, which should not be kept as pets, even if correctly licensed under the current legislation? ‘Some animals, such as primates, require specialised care which is beyond the scope of the vast majority of people and the RSPCA believes they should not be kept as pets on welfare grounds. The Animal Welfare Act introduced a legal obligation for owners to provide for all of an animal’s needs and calls on all prospective owners to think carefully about whether they can care for an animal properly - whether it be a more unusual wild animal in captivity, such as an iguana or a more common pet such as a guinea pig or dog’. Chris Newman responded: This is not an entirely HONEST reply from the RSPCA, rather the typical ‘political correct’ response one would expect! ’The RSPCA were involved on the Primate Working Group, along with their colleagues from Monkey World in Dorset. The purpose of the group was to produce a stringent Code of Practice for private primate keepers. However, the RSPCA and Monkey World wrecked this code as they both objected to ANY primates being kept by private keepers, and argued that a total ban was the only thing they would find acceptable’. And another response from another poster in that forum [Petstreet] ‘Dont think anyone on here wants to see the continuation of small monkeys living in tiny cages in peoples sitting rooms & being treated like an additional child with little coats & hats.... (In these cases I think it’s the owners that need looking at...)’ Without a code in place, to protect the genuine primate keeper, then the likes of this style of keeping as above is what will motivate the likes of the RSPCA and Monkeyworld to continue with a possible prohibition of the keeping of primates in private hands. But should a ban go ahead, what will they then deem as an unacceptable ‘pet?’ My fear is this, and this should be yours also. The politics are out there from both of the sides, whether we like it or not. But what we should be addressing equally as much as the visible opposition is this, Animal welfare is the concern of all responsible parties, so instead of browbeating or discrediting the industry, the hobby or the hobbyists with unnecessary politics let us concentrate on addressing what will actually effect the way you keep reptiles / [exotics] in your future …………… or not. We need to address animal husbandry more, we need to address animal welfare, but above everything, we need to concentrate upon what could potentially cease your ability to keep. Whilst the RSPCA may at first appear to be the extremists and our only opposition, this may not be the case. The entire industry at times also appears to be one of our listed enemies, through either apathy or ignorance to real issues. R
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