Is Animal Welfare being neglected by us politically?

In today’s’ challenging climate of politics and legislation, are we focusing our attentions in the right places?

The RSPCA – the arch enemy to exotics keepers – are oft criticised for being political, l have done so, but in reality do they really have a choice?

Animal welfare is now steeped and surrounded by politics and overwhelmed by legislation. The RSPCA are a charity with a bankrolling income, should they be political? Or do they have a choice?

As pro keepers we focus our attention on their political campaigning, and as said we both criticise and condemn them for it, but in recent times, as much aggression as l see aimed at them, can we in reality blame them for their political motive?

I am not denying the facts that are set before us, the United Kingdom need a professional authoritative body that can regulate animal welfare – for who else is there? What other prime body can in reality combat the growing problems that arise with neglect and animal cruelty?

Of course the offensive response to me would be that they do not want to learn about working alongside us?

But is this always the truth?

All the efforts we have made to down them, have not worked and despite some of the more prominent errs they have made in the eyes of the pro keepers and the media, still they thrive.

BUT, are these actually errs?

When you are working on the crusade of animal welfare. What is more important, animal welfare or principals?

Are we therefore committing unnecessary funds into them when perhaps we should be focusing on what they themselves are doing and that is paying attention to animal welfare?

I know we have tried as a body of pro political keepers to make them accountable and have traceability to their actions, but has any of this actually worked? And l also recall the same questions being asked of pro bodies as well in years gone past.

If the RSPCA are in fact writing up Codes of Practice, where are ours, where is our defence to the RSPCA should the need arise.
What would our need be?

Well surely our need would be in the best interests of animal welfare?
We can acknowledge that the RSPCA in the main do not possess the right skills, nor experience when it comes to the likes of the exotics field, and l for one, think that more should be done to update and re-educate their inspectors – but are we slipping into the quagmire of defending those whom are victims to the RSPCA, but neglecting our own efforts into the animal welfare and the production of literature to educate?

We are never going to cease this charity’s status. And should we be doing so?

So why continually waste resources on downing them, when perhaps money raised should be used to aid them to understand us better.

How about this?

Have any keepers ever considered becoming inspectors to the RSPCA, or even applied. What response did you receive?

Rory Matier

Pro Keepers Alliance

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Animal Welfare comes first every single time, there is no place for principles if one SINGLE animal suffers.
Also the RSPCA have no right being political at all as its against The Charity Commision policy!
They should have been taken to court over this long ago, but nobody has the cash to do so!!!!


Edit, Cant spell welfare (sigh)

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Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are good is like expecting the bull not to charge because you are a vegetarian.

I agree

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Didnt answer all the questions, just the ones i choose to answer at this time, i'd like to see how this progresses without commiting myself further.

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Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are good is like expecting the bull not to charge because you are a vegetarian.

Wow Rory 66 views, and only 3 posts with 2 posters, is this telling you something?
And if so, are you getting the message?

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Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are good is like expecting the bull not to charge because you are a vegetarian.

rory you are just as bad at downing the rspca

let me explain someone did do this and was helped to be shot down by you now hes applied to be rspca perm due to your nonsense and the fact the fbh do nothing but slate rspca permanently without first finding out facts something both fbh and tska are good at

how about this you and fbh put all your money in a pot and set up an exotic zoos or pro keepers shops of the highest standard that work closly with rspca and liscencing

however this wont happen as fbh ans tska will never want to lose the little shouting power they have (will they chris)

im sure chris newomen will have fun readng and slating me but such is life and like i really care all the effort you use in these threads could be more productivly used saving reptiles but oh forgot fbh only want to control for the big suppliers that fund there coffers if anything there worse than rspca anyday look at the bloody cow thread with the hindus the other day
jesus was there a point, ppl saying rspca are cuaght by the balls rubbish they won full stop proven went nowhere like everything else.

bout time more money was used to rescue rehabilitate and educate FOR FREE

the fact u slate people when they mention rspca just makes you look daft in the eyes of normal thinking people.

the rspca are at least doing something

also today i spoke with someone that assured me the rspcas veiws where no longer based at banning reptiles in full just stronger rules

and you talk about giving them ammo jesus
think of all the ammo you give everytime someone posts and gets slated a sensible man would sit back and watch your making the forum to political in general full stop
rspca post this rspca poll that
try working with them not against them you might actually get somewhere

you mention rspca politics do they have an option no becuase of fbh and tska politics

fbh monthly newsletter yes we recive it "stating" how to deal with an rspca officer. good idea piss of the officer so they think you have something to hide so they come back with liscencing or police.

and as for primate keeping to quote my other post
i personally would like all primate keepers that ive met to be riencarnated as monkeys made to live in undersized cages and lose there hair through stress etc becuase someone wanted a monkey (i know if i was reincarnated as a monkey and stuck in a cage the second i had a chance id rip your head off there only a step down from us (reading recent threads i wonder if there a step above)

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I thought rorys post was fairly decent in respects to the rspca...

Reptilerescuehull, do you work with the rspca? how long have you been doing so?

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Wow how heated is this thread going to get!.

My main arguement i have if the lack of knowlege rspca officers have on exotics.
Not just reptiles. But non uk based exotic species as a whole.
There inspectors recieve 12 months on the job training but there basic animal knowlege is seriosly limited.
The RSPCA is very well funded so they have no reason not to employ a lot more officers than they currently do.
I personally would like to see them work closely with us the keepers.
Instead of criticise us.
Iv'e had countless visits from them in the last 16 years.
All with complaints from ''unknown informers'
All complaining about me having ''dangerous'' animals ''free roaming the house'' etc
On 2 ocasions i was greated by an rspca officer who looked like she should have been wearing a pre school uniform who even cringed when she said the word ''snake''
They respond so negetively even to the word's''reptile'', ''arachnid'', ''primate'' etc.
The 3rd was a very stuck up elderly male officer who told me i was ''causing unnesesary suffering to my 17ft burmese'' As she didnt have sufficient floor space.At the time she was in a 10/5/6 viv(half room conversion).
And so on.
I have yet to meet an inspector that keeps exotics him/her self.

What id like to know is what happens to inspectors during the training process. Why/how are they turned in to ''anti's''.
The vast majority of herp keepers are honest, decent people and I for 1 think we need to have a right to speak out in defence of the animals were passionate about.

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Like the member above I would have a problem being told what to do by someone who hasn't the faintest idea what they are talking about.The rspca will never have the support of reptile keepers till they get their house in order.Eddie Munt and co. spent a long time trying to change the attitude of the rspca only to be blocked by the ruling council.Until this body is purged of it's animal rights supporters there can be no support of an organisation which is hell bent on the end of companion animals in our society.I recently had a knock on the door from a young man collecting for the rspca. Instead of telling him to bugger off like I do with all door to door callers I patiently explained why I wouldn't give one penny even if I had just won the lottery.He didn't know that only about 4p out of every pound goes on animals.He didn't know that the local centres have to fund themselves.He didn't know about the multi-million pound headquarters and he didn't know what happens on Wednesdays. The poor lad went away shell shocked. I told him to check out what I had told him on the net and he promised to do so.The poor guy thought he was really helping, I felt quite sorry for him. Likewise the people who join up to try to make a difference must be really frustrated when they find out what really is going on.I respect their attitude to animal welfare but until this organisation is brought into line I, like many reptile keepers will not have a good word to say about them. Harry