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Old 01-10-2007, 12:25 PM
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If more people knew the facts, the RSPCA would have crumbled long ago. Getting the landbased market to accept it is another problem, and one that would cost a very serious amount of money.

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Old 01-10-2007, 12:35 PM
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Plus it woudl be very easily implemented, the animal welfare act is already set up ready to accept any such change....

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Animals to which the Act applies
(1) In this Act, except subsections (4) and (5), “animal” means a vertebrate other than man.
(2) Nothing in this Act applies to an animal while it is in its foetal or embryonic form.
(3) The appropriate national authority may by regulations for all or any of the purposes of this Act—
(a) extend the definition of “animal” so as to include invertebrates of any description;
(b) make provision in lieu of subsection (2) as respects any invertebrates included in the definition of “animal”;
(c) amend subsection (2) to extend the application of this Act to an animal from such earlier stage of its development as may be specified in the regulations.
(4) The power under subsection (3)(a) or (c) may only be exercised if the appropriate national authority is satisfied, on the basis of scientific evidence, that animals of the kind concerned are capable of experiencing pain or suffering.
(5) In this section, “vertebrate” means any animal of the Sub-phylum Vertebrata of the Phylum Chordata and “invertebrate” means any animal not of that Sub-phylum.
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how would changes like this effect livefoods??
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I think it would depend on whether they were able to meet hte criteria of sub section 4, that being htey have to provide scientific evidence that the said invert is "capable of experienceing pain or suffering".
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But so many animals suffer for US to eat at some point... and im sure the rspca workers are NOT all vegetarians..

does than mean if we were to weat a wild fly we'd be prosecuted.. yes its fine to buy a pack of minced beef from tesci cos it doesnt LOOK like an animal..
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But so many animals suffer for US to eat at some point... and im sure the rspca workers are NOT all vegetarians..

does than mean if we were to weat a wild fly we'd be prosecuted.. yes its fine to buy a pack of minced beef from tesci cos it doesnt LOOK like an animal..
ditto Sparkle, we buy mainly if we can from farm shops or we shoot our own (pheseant, rabbit ect) but apperntley that is wrong, it is much better to go to tescos but some meat there that will have been stuffed on a trailer driving for miles cramped without food and water, taking of the lorry shocked and killed... mmmm wich sounds kinder??
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But so many animals suffer for US to eat at some point... and im sure the rspca workers are NOT all vegetarians..

does than mean if we were to weat a wild fly we'd be prosecuted.. yes its fine to buy a pack of minced beef from tesci cos it doesnt LOOK like an animal..
I don't know about their home lives but at a meeting between the FBH and the RSPCA we was told that after much discussion and several votes by the big wigs, it had been made a rule that only vegetarian food could be served up at RSPCA meetings.
I also know that the guy I have occasional dealings with recieved a call from his wife, while talking to me. Her message was 'can you get some vegatarian gravy on the way home, as we have run out'.

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So the RSPCA are a bunch of muppets ... all agree? I personally don't think the animal welfare bill is going to be upheld in the slightest, why?
Well, despite thinking the RSPCA are a waste of space we reported our next door neghbour but one the other day, she had a young Akita tethered to a tree in her back garden for at least 2 days and 2 nights! Now to me that contravenes the AWB because the dog had no shelter, and he had no where to sleep (ok very basic I know but both are a part of the AWB). The dog barked constantly from dawn til dusk, and sometimes at silly hours of the morning (2am).

The RSPCA came out on a Saturday (!!!!!) and we had a rather sarcastic message left on our answer phone saying "The dog you reported is fine, their is someone in residence looking after the dog. I know the barking is a pest but frankly that's not my department."

Ok, so they came out on a Saturday (which surprised us), and fair enough the barking isn't his department, but the dog is fine?? There's no shelter FFS!!! He is left with a small bowl for water, who knows if it's full or not!? He was obviously completely oblivious to the AWB!!! What a waste of time and effort it was implementing it in the first place!!

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Oh, and because that was on a completely different tangent to the last few posts, I'm a vegetarian but I consider making a dog or other carnivore or insectivore vegetarian is cruelty! Animals cannot make decisions for themselves, therefore I put aside MY ethics so that they can be healthy and happy. If that makes me a hypocrite then so be it, I'd rather have healthy animals thanks very much.

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I remember years ago, the neighbours we had back then were inbred (literally) the dad had 15 kids (9 or which were living in the 3 bedroom house with him and his wife) and he was sleeping with one of his daughters..

but on a summer weekend, when it was boiling hot, they had a chain going from the house to the end of the garden, no shade, no bowls of water, and they had roped their two dogs to the chain, so obviously after a few runs up and down the chain the dogs got tangled near enough in the middle of the garden.

we called the RSPCA, and they came out within a few hours. But one had died, and the other they put down. The owners didn't even get a slap on the wrist though.

thats probably the only good experience i've had with the RSPCA

Othertimes we had cats run over, birds flopping around not able to fly away, etc etc.. And the RSPCA said they were coming, yet never actually turned up on any of the occasions
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I think it bloody right that inverts be added to the AWA.

They are living beings and they deserve to be kept in adiquate conditions. The deserve the rights that "more intellegent" beings are granted.

As for posting i think it is fair too. Lots of inverts are lost in the post. It is a big double standards thing really.
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