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Any links to the far from home campaign? I could do with a laugh.
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09-10-2007, 08:02 PM
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 I have no doubt they are against reptile keeping but I also dont like the people who write "DONT TAKE IT TO RSPCA THEY ARE ALL TW*TS". In my opinion yes the RSPCA dont like us, and they would prefer us not to keep pets but at the end of the day, they do help alot of animals and are not the stupid,evil,cant wait to put dogs down people some make them out to be. They should be challenged in their views and political aims but shouldnt be disregarded entirely.
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09-10-2007, 08:03 PM
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09-10-2007, 08:04 PM
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Bit by bit
Bit by bit, the best way to disassemble anything.
Try and attack it full on without preparation, will come back with huge losses. Ask Habu about non prepared frontal assault, he may enlighten you. The RSPCA would need to slowly chip away at the foundations first , test the waters and then wait. Seiges, can sometimes be long winded or short lived. Its all depends upon the defence. Good defence and the attack will be side winded all the time, poor defence and the gates will break. But if you want to win a long battle, you destroy allies to the main body first. Therefore taking away more defenses all the time, chip by chip, bit by bit. Another alternative is to wait, if you have the finances to wait and the resources, that is what you do. The reptile community is a hard one to really conquer flat out, it is the most politically staunch fraternity out there. The RSPCA are in the waiting process, and they will wait and do as said chip away, a few small skirmishes at a time, a victory here, a victory there, a loss there, a defeat there. Who is stronger in will, will win. How big is our army? Not very. How big is our belief? Well we will see, wont we? Why relate all this in military terms? Simple, we are preparing for a battle, whether it is a seige or an all out frontal defence, only time will tell. But we are at war. R PKL
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As said they are no longer out to ban reptile keeping outright... they no longer need to be.
The RSPCA have been pushing for snakes that can get above 2 Metres in length put on the DWA for what 7-8 years now ? It has now changed to Boas and Pythons that get above 2 Metres... but at the time it was any snake that was capable of getting to 2 Metres or more. Think about that... 2 Metres is six feet. So had they got their way then it would include North American rat snakes, Taiwanese Beauty snakes, Royal pythons, Corn snakes ... the wording was specifically "Capable of reaching 2 Metres or More" ... that on it's own would have wiped out the snake industry. Can you imagine having a corn snake and Royal python on the DWA ? Now they are saying Boas and Pythons that are capable of reaching 2 Meters... sorry guys... but that still includes your Royals !!!
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Stuff missed from the RSPCA press release amidst talk of people moving...
Pythons and boa constrictors: The RSPCA has long campaigned to have these snakes, which can grow to more than two metres in length, added to the list of animals which must be licensed under the Dangerous Wild Animals Act. But they were not among the species recently added to the Act. As well as being potentially dangerous, these jungle snakes are difficult to look after properly as they get bigger, needing a large, heated vivarium with environmental enrichment such as a pool in which to immerse themselves and branch-work, and an appropriate diet. We understand that Defra will be undertaking a full consultation on the Act in the near future and the RSPCA will again make its concerns known," added Mr Thomas. No mention of species ... the 2M thing is now just an aside... they want as many Boas and Pythons as they can get on the DWA.
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The report is call "Far from home. Reptiles that suffer and die in captivity" RSPCA || Wildlife: reports and resources And what the FBH think of the report The Federation of British Herpetologists
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The "Far From Home" report does state that it is animals taken from teh wild, wild caught stock that then end up suffering and dying.
We know this as we generally refuse WC stock because fo the parasites and diseases.
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how different things are. here, if a kid expresses an interest in animals be it bugs or herps, fish whatever, it's looked well upon. school kids actually go out on feild trips and catch herps and things and keep them in their class. the emphasis is on proper care and study rather than the cruelty of keeping animals that many wackos spout. here, a young person who likes nature and animals is held in a good light. "they got their mind on something" is a common feeling. even the government( dept of natural resources) has nature walks and have people collect things. it's all good. like anywhere, we have some radical animal rights groups, but they are by no means a mainstream entity. i think the activists should be more concerned about development than messing with qualified, careing people who keep animals. as the song goes, 'the day paradise put up a parking lot". if you keep animals here, nearly everyone considers that a plus in your character. don't pay me any mind here. it just flabbergasts me how things are so different. don't believe all the media, they are just looking for sensationalism. next, after they ban reptiles, they'll be comming for the tropical fish, birds and then whatever else they can think of. it's a process with the "ANTI" folks. an erosion of rights and attrition of keepers. they win by slowly doing things and letting it be the norm. baby steps. some day the old timers will be able to say: "yeah sonny", i remember back when you could actually keep a lizard".........
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