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if a country allows its wildlife to be exported then there is nothing wrong with us receiving them.
If they are endangered then its up to them to stop the exports, fair enough to expect co-operation at all ends. Other than that i don't think there is any need for any further restrictions this end [eu] its mad.
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I kind of get the whole WC thing Aly (I think)
I am not opposed to WC animals when they are subsequesntly going to be CB to ease the srain on the numbers in the wild and I understand that with some species, WC is necessary to keep a good cross blod lines wthin the captive industry. I only really oppose WC when it is for a species that is over sold ont he Cb market and is only being sold WC for the sake of it 
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Just think, no more tremper leos coming into the EU, nor any of the other big breeders
Buying from the states for collection at hamm.....banned ! Why? When trade within the EU is fine? Maybe my take on this is off the mark, but its not endearing me to the new USE (United States of Europe). Is our hobby on the list to be USEd ???
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Right on the mark
Indeed so PJ.
That is exactly right. EU trade will be fine once the proposed ban is firm, but for how long before they decide to clamp down on buying from Europe? And this will certainly affect current keepers and potentially new keepers alike. It will crush business, it will crush the hobby, it will crush retailers, it will crush the industry. All these pieces of new legislation, existing legislation, proposed legislation, the opposition, the lack of defence, apathy, demotivation it all will lead to the end of what we know things today as. Someone today, said that they thought it could possibly all be over in ten years tops, unless we pulled our fingers out and started working against things. And when they said said it, they said it in such a way that l thought 'Shit, he means it!" Now another proposed campaign joins our ranks, with another aimed at new art 10 legislation and also freedom food campaigns, every where l look l have different people from all walks saying why and what is being done about it all? Good questions really....... R PKL
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same her i think wc is fine when it will help build numbers in the cb hoby in which will later allow the wild population to grow i again hate w animals being sol when there is a large amount of the particular species in the hobby already cb
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One of the biggest things would be an abrupt stop to the thousands of Captive Farmed royal pythons that are shipped in every year and the almost monthly import of Serpenco bred corns.
I am glad that my collection is complete all bar one snake ( which just happens to be European ) ... but for those just starting out with their collections. This is the worst possible news.
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It is indeed very bad news Steve - many people build thier collections around the day arriving when they can pick up thier special purchase be it a Serpence, Tremper or any other high end morph that isn't available in the EU.
Ally - glad I could ease the thought you were cruel lol I don't think anyone should see it that way after all every single species was once WC to create the domestic and captively bred animals we now have - even dogs and cats. Some morphs have only come about due to finding a lucky gene in a WC specimen
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Yeah... but this is European law Si. Just the same as the EPS so once that law is passed, the governments hands are tied and they have to implement it no matter how much stink we kick up. The EPS is already law... what we are kicking up about is the way it is being implemented.
Given all the countries that now make up the EU and the fact that the UK is seen as an outsider in the first place given our refusal to adopt the Euro... what we think will not matter a bit. All we can do is sit and watch.
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