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can we have some background information as to what this is based on?

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Hi Pink,

This does come from a reliable source, but before we can discuss this further we must know how people feel about this first.

Essentially this works on the same mechanism that affected the 'wild caught and captive bred birds' entering Europe. This will work on the same principal but for reptiles and amphibians. For it will basically end the captive bred livestocks entering Europe, which will in turn seriously affect Britains trade.

Through unachieveable criteria, reptiles and amphibians will be denied access for purchase into the EU. Whilst free trade will still exist between Europe and Britain, it will mean all non EU imports will be banned.

R

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It would be such a shame for CB reptiles to be banned from entering the UK

So many beautiful specimens have been taken on by breeders in the UK !!!

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I don't understand why this would be prohibited, there doesn't seem to be any obvious risk to importing CB reptiles.

I'm assuming that it would not affect CB reptiles already in the UK, or the breeding of these herps, or am I wrong?

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But there is no apprent reason for them wishing to kill the any reptiles who havebeen CB int he UK but have no paperwork - sometimes they don't need a feasible reason to get the hammer nad chisel out and chip away at the hobby a tad more

I think it woul dbe ludicrous - while we have osme amazing breeders in he EU, we still have a lot of imports come form the rest of hte world to us

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First off, Brit.

This is not about killing any reptiles honey. This is different to EPS.

This is basically about the long range plans that are curently swinging into action via the same selective European committee that made the legislation commence and complete for the ban of Wild Caught birds into Europe.

In the same breath because of unachievable criteria it made it so that it was also difficult for the importation of captive birds into Europe as well.

What this actually implies and perhaps keepers have not caught onto this - is this

If they cease/ban the importation of Non EU reptiles into EU, this will mean that he likes of American and Indonesian importers based in both UK and Europe are not allowed to do so, for it will be a banned policy on not just wild caught but also on captive bred species.

This is currently being discussed and has the full anti backing, because of their feelings of the exotic pet trade.

Because we know how these things fare and the case of birds is a perfect example, primarily because that is now legislation, we can forsee where these discussion and consultations of this committee are going, and it is with regret that we do also forsee in the near future that this piece of legislation will occur.

This could not just be seen as a slighlty annoying piece of legis but a seriously damaging piece of legis to not just the reptile keeping fraternity but also the industry.

A lot of UK and European importers bring in from external EU.

Now, the thing that is different about these proposals is this:

If they say just place a ban on wild caught species, well this will win the empathy vote anyway, seeing as a lot of the voters including current reptile keepers wish to see a stop to this, but wild caught species formulate only a very small percentage to the industry. But in order to make sure that it affects captive breds they are looking to impose a new swing on it, by decreasing importing quotas.

As said this will not affect free trade between Uk and Europe directly, but it will impose a serious problem for those who rely upon their business's if they import captive breds external EU community.

R
PKL

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I know it isn't connected in any way hun I was pointing out that sometimes the so called powers that be who make these decisions don't need to thikn of the bigger picture with reference to Pink's response about not seeing why the importation would be prohibited

Things don't seemt o be loking good right now but I sure am glad we have our very own "Voice of doom" (lol ) who is prepared to keep us up to speed onthings because if not for PKL right now making keepers aware, we would all be stuck in the dark for a long time

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Edit sorry it was actually Claire's post I was answering to - sorry

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Would be bad indeed... Even to stop WC in my opinion (and I know a lot of people here don't share that one at all!) would be a real blow for the hobby.

I too am glad for these updates, I'd know nothing if it wasn't for all the info on this forum.