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I read all this stuff and really start to wonder who are the bad guys. Maybe its me for not agreeing, maybe its the RSPCA for doing a job, or maybe its PKL... I personally have no problem with the organization and I have to say I have had the pleasure to meet quite a few, funnily enough they are quite normal people. I once even considered working for them after watching are you tough enough. But they don't pay enough and not enough action to keep me motivated.
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Would it really not be a problem for oyu to house all of your snakes in the minimum sized vivs that the RSPCA require??
That woyuld be 23 snakes - even if half of them were 5 foot that would be 11 5 foot vivs, then 12 vivs of other sizes - your boa will reach what? 9,10 foot or more? Some people can't house thier snakes in that way. I would love to see a country full of roayls who will happily live, eat and be fine in vivs the same length as they reach. So what happens if you move your roayl into a 6 foot viv and it won't feed? You spend a fortune on vets bills to try to get it feeding? You force feed risking adding mroe stress to the snake thus pushing it further away from feeding? Or you let it ride, see how it goes and then the RSPCA come a knocking. Your snake is in poor condition becaus eit won't eat and you haven't seent he vet because you feel it will sort itself out? Theny ou are prosecuted under section 4 of the AWA for causing "unecessary suffering" to the snake because you haven't fed it nor sought medical attention. The RSPCA are trying thier damndest to put keepers like you nad everyone else here in a catch 22 situation. You are stuffed if you do and you are more than stuffed if you don't. Am just blurbing my thoughts out here btw and am not having a dig because you have your own opinion - I respect your opinion but the RSPCA don't respect thta keepers, be them high scale breeders or small hobbyests, have a right to house their animals in a way which is most suited tot hier needs.
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We were passed my the local animal warden etc As i said its not the rspca i have a problem with its the fat cats in office that are writing the cops basically blind!
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My opinion is that they would never ever try to get a complete ban on animal keeping (as this would put them outta action), they would just put in very stringent rules to make animal keeping harder, like every one will need licenses, must have right size housing, etc etc, and as said we will end up in catch 22 situations,
and its not just reptiles they will target its all animals, and eventually they will target the common pets like cats and dogs. take my situation, i have a 12 year old husky x, who is slightly over weight has spondulosis(sp) of the spine and keep pulling his shoulder and has recently had cancerous lumps removed from different areas of his body, with all of his condition i am unable to give him the recommended amount of exercise that a dog of his size should have, so am i being cruel in not taking him out for a walk every day?? or should i put him through pain and suffering to give him the recommended amount of exercise required. going back on topic, havin 7 of 9 of my royals which were taken on/ matured to become fussy feeders i can personally say that if they did make a rule that royals must have a 6ft viv then i would end up being either thousands of pounds in debt or have up to 9 dead snakes. from experince of the 7 fussy feeders i have all have been eating (except adult males for seasonal change) because im housing then in smaller vivs. Yes i agree the rspca do, do some very good work, but on the other hand they can/are seen as complete morons.
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Does nobody else, or is it just me, find themselfs defending what they have violently and with extreme prejudice, reguardless of consequence?
I mean if anyone tried to take anything from me, pets or otherwise, they generally come unstuck very quickly. I'll be fudge if anyone's taking my animals away. Ever The last guy who tried it, was after my cash, which he didn't know, but was less than 20quid at the time. He was carrying a blade. He ended up with a broken jaw and a broken wrist. Some fudge trying to take my pets away would come off worse. I might be getting off the point but this is what came to mind. Doesn't anyone fight for what they want anymore? fudge what they want, people should go back to using brute force a little more, rather than being a push over bunch of pussies. I'm not just applying this to pet issues. And No, I don't care if this makes people dislike me either, I am very comfortable with my opinions.
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i think you'd make a fine american!!!  just teasing!! but you sound a lot like people here...blood would be spilled if that stuff happened here. hehe!!.....i love it! ...fight the power!
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I do agree Xiorell - people tend to roll over nad allow things to happen to them without ever putting up a fight.
For me personally, I had a rough time when I was younger, constantly had things taken from me that I never wished to allow to happen, felt that everyone took advantage of me so one day I flip reversed it all and swore I would always stand up and be counted instead of burying my head - that I would speak up about things I was unhappy about. People could never understand the change in me until I found somehting I was passionate about and then they realised I am actually quite a strong willd person with the ability to form my own views and fight for what I beleive. This is the main reason I am proud to be part of PKL, because I know I am running the marathon with like minded people who won't lay down with doormat on thier foreheads.
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That'll help !!!
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i have to say i agree whole heartedly with everything Faith has said. I'd love to see my royal kovu in a six foot viv..but i know he would stop eating, become insecure, maybe even aggressive. Yes the rspca have done alot of good work, and it isnt the inspectors that i'm against. Hell i wanted to be one for a very long time, volunteered at shelters, helped out where i could. Its the bigwigs in the offices thinking this sh** up. If we were licensed and the RSPCA knew what was best for th reptiles then yeah i'd welcome it. But as it is they don't. They may think some of our keeping methods are cruel...but we know there is no other alternative for some animals. Royals being just one example.
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