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Old 28-05-2008, 08:52 PM
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this is a pic of our hypo het blazing blizzard with the weird splodge when young


and this is her now

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Old 28-05-2008, 08:55 PM
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Melanie has a leo with a huge white parradox spot!
Theyre really cool pics by the way

lol that was good timing i just put pics of her up lol
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Serz off this forum also has a female with a paradox spot - not majorly grown in size shall point her over to this thread
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Bump this back up cos your leo is bootiful

This is a pic of Serz's leo, Star - she will get some more up when she gets her camera charged







She has actually now began to develop another paradox spot under her other eye (last pic)

Tony - can I ask is paradox spots more "common" (for want of a better word) in hypos than in normals? Could it be something genetic due to the pigmentation change in hypos not having psots - kind of like thier genes have concentrated all thier spots into 1 (if that sounds stupid don't laugh at me haha)
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I dont think paradox to paradox would create more paradox's.. it certainly doesnt in royal pythons. also it only appears to happen in animals with reduced Melanin markings, Like the Hypos, Supers Hypos, Blizzards etc same as it only seems to happen in albino royals, no other morph. Also leucistic rat snakes will commonly have singular black or blood red scales mixed in.
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there all infected! keep them away from my gecko LOL
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Old 11-06-2008, 08:26 AM
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It only seems to happen in snows in corn snakes, I think it is definitely related to a lack of melanin
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i have one on a normal, and one on a hypo tangerine, and one on my corn snake (snow)



(now much thinner, due to having babies)
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Old 11-06-2008, 12:25 PM
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It all very interesting.

I have been doing a little reading up, and I do think that the paradox spots are caused by the skin cells producing to much Eumelanin (black melanin) or Pheomelanin (red melanin)

It would appear that the melanin pigment is linked to around 4 genes, which do infact act as incomplete dominant.

This may explain the low numbers of leos with paradox spots (as it would need all the four loci to contain at least some combination of the required allele)

It may also be that these genes are 'more active' when cirtain chemicals are present, indeed, in humans the precence of vit D3 (found in high sunlight areas) promotes the chemical production at the base level and results in much higher numbers of dark skined people.)

So, at the moment I tend to think that:

1) Paradox spots ARE indeed genetic.

2) There is more than just one gene involved

3) The different colours are explained by the assorted genetics involved.

4) UV or vit D3 supplements may have an effect in some way.

Its also very possible that standard morph genetics do play part here, but right now I dont pretend to understand how !

Just my 2pence worth, and I am no expert, but I am still looking for a suitable mate(s) in order to test these thoughts.
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really interesting!!
my girl with the paradox which is growing fast! is now 41 grams, so she is gettign there regarding breeding.

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It all very interesting.

I have been doing a little reading up, and I do think that the paradox spots are caused by the skin cells producing to much Eumelanin (black melanin) or Pheomelanin (red melanin)

It would appear that the melanin pigment is linked to around 4 genes, which do infact act as incomplete dominant.

This may explain the low numbers of leos with paradox spots (as it would need all the four loci to contain at least some combination of the required allele)

It may also be that these genes are 'more active' when cirtain chemicals are present, indeed, in humans the precence of vit D3 (found in high sunlight areas) promotes the chemical production at the base level and results in much higher numbers of dark skined people.)

So, at the moment I tend to think that:

1) Paradox spots ARE indeed genetic.

2) There is more than just one gene involved

3) The different colours are explained by the assorted genetics involved.

4) UV or vit D3 supplements may have an effect in some way.

Its also very possible that standard morph genetics do play part here, but right now I dont pretend to understand how !

Just my 2pence worth, and I am no expert, but I am still looking for a suitable mate(s) in order to test these thoughts.
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