i got 2 young panther chams in today about 2-3" snout to vent, i thought they may be opposing sexes, the one was more marbled looking and one had a slightly different chin flap to the other, both appeared to have small flecks of pink on the flanks, when i put them together they went bonkers, displaying, mouth open etc, i immediately split them. Are there any ways of sexing them at this young age?

Do you know how old they are?

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they need to be about 5-6" i read a while back, but i'm not a cham man so wait for an expert i'd say

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the male has hemapenal bulges and is larger than the female they should not be housed together they are solitary animals and males will fight. hope this helps

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Not going to start a debate but most chams CAN be housed together and it is down to our poor husbandry as keepers that causes the problems not them. With panthers it is actually beneficial to have males so they can see each other as this maintains a kind of even balance which they would have in the wild. There are a few species that will not tolerate other chams near them (flap necks) but panthers are not one of them and may be kept in pairs or trios if your husbandry is good enough. Anyway enough of the the whole solitary thing...just causes arguements!

Panthers can be sexed from an early age and it is all down to the colours they exhibit. Most of the time you can be 98% sure depending on the colours they go in varying situations. Males will generally exhibit more than two colours often with a strong white band down the flank. Females tend to stick to two colours and the white band is usually absent. This is not a 100% though as they often 'switch' colour variation and like i said earlier it is only with watching them for a few days that you can truly tell the sex of any individual.

i dont want to debate i think everyone to their own and what works for some doesnt work for others i am not into i am right and you are wrong i just try to help to the best of my knowledge and the way i keep mine works for me just as the way you keep yours works for you this is by no means a jibe so please dont take it the wrong way.

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thanks everyone

Not questioning your husbandry methods at all far from it. Just stating a fact that is misunderstood by the populace due to the publication of books based on a book based on a book based on a book rather than actual herpotological care. How they act in nature is usually indicative of the social structure of chameleon heirachy. Will leave it with this question...why do they change colours if they are solitary animals?

All of my Panthers are in view of each other, but none of them display until one sets foot outside its own viv

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Thats due to the fact they have estabilished their territories and are only willing to defend it if they need to. I have two males that live about a 6 inches from on another. The Sambava lives in a viv and the Nosy be just wanders round on a plant that hangs off the viv. No displays until the nosy be walks on the door. Long as he stays on the plant they are quite happy.