Hi,

I personaly wouldnt put either in a viv that size,if you could get hold of a 3x2x2 that would be my suggestion or even bigger if possibly,
Also they can handle very well especaily if captive bred,


When they finish uploading i will post a couple of vids of a pair of adult wild caught collareds that have tamed down well,(they will give you a idea of the size although i do have big hands lol)(some may not if wild caught unless you are prepared for alot of work and time to get to a point of a rapour between you and your lizard/lizards).

many people say they dont handle well but its just because they buy a wild caught 1 and are scared of it or dont put the time in before getting rid again.(thus making it harder for the next owner to tame down,and the cycle just goes on and on).

great lizards thats why i have decided to mainly concentrate on collareds.
If another viv isnt a option i would really suggest looking for something else as although they need the room to wander about they also like it hot and getting basking temps up while keeping the cool en down can be hard in smaller vivs especaily a one that size which i assume isnt very wide either.

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Adult female,originaly wild caught

http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...dultfemale.flv
A few young,captive bred from above female
http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...t=DSCF1584.flv

Adult male had enough of being out and wanting to go and bask lol.
http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...=adultmale.flv

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^^^ love the male jumping in off your hand at the end of the last one lol!!! they are just awesome at jumping - so smooth and powerful - I'd say collards were definately more fun but yeah agree with the bigger viv thing

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ok thanks for the advice

dont think we will be getting either of them quite yet due to size. Wouldnt want them to be unhappy.

Any idea how long it would take a baby beardie to outgrow a 2 1/2 foot tank????

thanks for the videos too

Amy x

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Ya cant keep an animal that needs a high temp with a steep gradient in such a small viv, its difficult to maintain 88 degs in the cool end and 110 in the warm end with a viv that small.

Collareds are not 3/4 tail either, lol. prob half tail and half body, though its notable that westerns have longer tails, and texan locale easterns seem to have longer tails also. 14 inches sounds enormous but remember half of that is tail. They average avout 35 to 40g in weight as adults.

Females are fine together, probably better than 1:1. Certainly prevents unwanted mishaps anyway...

Leopards are not available CB in the UK at the mo and the ones around this year seem to have been quite sickly. Definitely better to go for collareds when you have a viv big enough, they make awesome pets but do need their space. I have a site in my sig which links in to pretty much every decent collared care site there is x x

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I disagree, I've never met anyone who was scared of a collared. They are considered to be less handleable because they move so fast and are fidgety by nature. As such they arent like beardies who will sit on your lap for hours, or leopard geckos who dont move so fast. They are more like mice, very curious, active and fast moving.

Even CB collareds are the same, the difference between WC and CB is usually that the WC ones dont like it when you approach them from above. They will have seen plenty of birds predating on them when they were free, so by avoiding reaching down at them and not moving too quickly you generally have a WC collared that's as handleable as any CB within a matter of minutes, just dont expect it to sit still, lol. Remember also, there are hissy, grumpy WC's but I have CB's that are like that at times too !!

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They are very popular, but they generally need brumating at very cold temps in order to breed and that's high risk for your average hobbyist. Because of their small size the temperatures really need to be quite accurate too, not too cold to freeze them, but not warm enough to allow their metabolism to continue to burn their body fat. 12 degrees is considerably warm, and personally wouldnt brumate at temps above about 8 degrees, because females generally start ovulating within a month of waking up, and so if they've lost body mass through brumation, they arent going to be in great condition ready for the breeding season. Additionally, considering they need to be so cold, they need a completely empty gut. So for those who have been brumating for a while and are now comfortable with it, its easy as pie. For those who are still new to brumation, its not worth the risk or the hassle.

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ah ta.
mu local shop had some really bad wc some years ago and if im right he really cranked the heat up..v hot (which sounds logical) and he bred them in the nxt couple of years.

i got some baby cb tokays off him, and he has lots of cb collards and lep lizards bred in the US, i saw them again yesterday and hes had them a while now, so finally put them up for sale as he know there eating etc. 40quid each. must admit there cute

yeah that cooling makes sense, as i cool lots of things, but snakes and odd T, and i did with some gex years ago. i know when i 1st started cooling i was worried but now 2nd nature and do it for the health of the animals

Not to start a arguement or anything but i have seen a couple of collareds that havent tamed down well,and will not in a few minutes as stated,infact i now own one that is real nervy and given time should be ok but definatly not to a point of my others,
I have also seen some wc that are real friendly from the start (my very own original female),
coast to coast had/have some(uk) cb leopard lizards in as i was thinking of some myself but dont like to rush into it before i have given it some thought.

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[quote=karma;2721474]Not to start a arguement or anything but i have seen a couple of collareds that havent tamed down well,and will not in a few minutes as statedquote]

Nobody said they'd "tame down" in a few minutes. I said they are generally handleable with the right approach. My point being that there's not much taming where collareds are concerned, they are ALL fast movers that wriggle a lot and have an instinct to cower or be aggressive when approached from above. Wild ones in particular.

I too have seen really aggressive wild lizards, and as previously stated, there are plenty of CB ones the same. More a matter of personality than refusing to "tame down", the CB ones are very ofeten as bad, I've got two at the moment that are pure evil, both of which are CB females

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