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New project... The Black Pearl *UPDATED with new pictures*

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#1 ·
We would like to publically announce our latest project which sees TS and MMM Geckos in joint ownership of a European exclusive.... The Black Pearl!
The following pictures are around the beginning stages of what The Urban Gecko describe as the sixth of seven developmental stages.
More info on this can be found here:

The Urban Gecko

If you would like any more info please feel free to contact either:
Sam of TS-Geckos at info@ts-geckos.com or
Mike of MMM Geckos at triplemgeckos@live.co.uk

We hope you like our new project and are as excited as we are; the possibilities at this point really are endless!

So what are you opinions?
Any comments are greatly appreciated!




 
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#6 ·
That is absolutely brilliant. We look forward to hearing your future breeding plans.
 
#7 ·
Brilliant, nice to see someone working with them in the UK. How i'd love to get my hands on one:mf_dribble:
 
#8 ·
So what are you opinions?
Any comments are greatly appreciated!
lol Mike knows my opinions on this but will repeat anyway hun ~ I think it's bloody amazing and wish you both great things ................. and can I be put on the waiting list :2thumb:
 
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#12 ·
lol Mike knows my opinions on this but will repeat anyway hun ~ I think it's bloody amazing and wish you both great things ................. and can I be put on the waiting list :2thumb:
I think the only three things we can be sure of at the moment with this project is:
1. As i say the opportunities are endless!
2. We are both overjoyed!
3. What ever we do produce will be in high demand, not only by you guys but also by us.
As Mike says it may be another season before we release any.
 
#14 ·
Bah Humbug :devil:

Haha, great stuff - you both must be so excited and apprehensive at the same time!

Great coup for the both of you, and judging by the pics, that little beauty is going to worth every scrap of time, money and worry that you`re going to spend on it - a very, very rare opportunity to have a direct influence on the way forward for an entire morph. Get this right, as I know you will, and it could open up a real `pandora`s box` of delights......and one of the best parts about it, is that whatever you pair her to, and whatever you produce in the coming seasons - there is no right or wrong because there is very little to compare it with!!! The only thing I don`t envy you though is the worry, no way would I be able to sleep - I`d have an alarm clock set hourly in the night so I could get up and hand feed her scraps of lobster, just to make sure she was ok haha!!!

It`s pretty remarkable to think that your BP is still some way short of reaching it`s full increment, and fulfilling it`s potential - to think it could go even darker really takes some imagination.

All the possibilities that I know you`ve ploughed through already - black body/black eyes; black body/red eyes; black body/carrot tail :)mf_dribble:) etc, etc....can`t wait to see your results if you decide to go ahead and pair her to an Enigma or Calico; and introduce the Blizzard gene - and why not throw in Eclipse too just to see what happens?! Where do you start?

Anyroad - genuinely hope that everything pans out 100% perfectly, and smoothly for you - as it will - and that, aside from all the technicalities/genetics/potential, you both just have an excellent, and rewarding time being the proud owners of one of the most unique leos in Europe - congrats : victory:
 
#15 ·
if you ever get a pure black with red eyes i'll sell you both my kidney's and my liver or on second thought a hell of a lot of money.
 
#21 · (Edited)
Ours are pure black pearl, no hets... a clean slate to start with.
Not coming... Here already... and show stopping to see in the flesh, we are both pretty dissapointed that we couldnt get pictures that show how striking this morph really is. Just seeing the morph first hand in my eyes is worth a pretty penny.

if you ever get a pure black with red eyes i'll sell you both my kidney's and my liver or on second thought a hell of a lot of money.
Okay the kidneys, liver and your left hand :whistling2:

Bah Humbug :devil:

Haha, great stuff - you both must be so excited and apprehensive at the same time!

Great coup for the both of you, and judging by the pics, that little beauty is going to worth every scrap of time, money and worry that you`re going to spend on it - a very, very rare opportunity to have a direct influence on the way forward for an entire morph. Get this right, as I know you will, and it could open up a real `pandora`s box` of delights......and one of the best parts about it, is that whatever you pair her to, and whatever you produce in the coming seasons - there is no right or wrong because there is very little to compare it with!!! The only thing I don`t envy you though is the worry, no way would I be able to sleep - I`d have an alarm clock set hourly in the night so I could get up and hand feed her scraps of lobster, just to make sure she was ok haha!!!

It`s pretty remarkable to think that your BP is still some way short of reaching it`s full increment, and fulfilling it`s potential - to think it could go even darker really takes some imagination.

All the possibilities that I know you`ve ploughed through already - black body/black eyes; black body/red eyes; black body/carrot tail :)mf_dribble:) etc, etc....can`t wait to see your results if you decide to go ahead and pair her to an Enigma or Calico; and introduce the Blizzard gene - and why not throw in Eclipse too just to see what happens?! Where do you start?

Anyroad - genuinely hope that everything pans out 100% perfectly, and smoothly for you - as it will - and that, aside from all the technicalities/genetics/potential, you both just have an excellent, and rewarding time being the proud owners of one of the most unique leos in Europe - congrats : victory:
Thanks for the kind comments Tony (and to everyone else for that matter), they really do mean so much to both of us. As you know so many plans have been spoken about. Its obviously something thats going to take time and patience but its certainly something we both have for this project.
After speaking to Craig it really seems like this could take us anywhere, just little things seem to change with this morph...carrot tails seem to come out a vivid yellow, i think this could even turn out to "unlock" or "change" things as we already know it.
After all this morph doesnt fit in with geckos maturing as we know them, not even the patternless hatches patternless, let alone gains patterning. This morph even lightens up to the point of an outstanding snow and then darkens up. Its just crazy, why a gecko that starts and then finishes so dark would lighten up to the point where its background colour is white.

Really i speak on behalf of both of us here, we can not describe how excited we are about this... we've been like 2 school kids for weeks dying to tell people constantly smiling as we look at what we will be putting the next few years of our reptile keeping into... and hopefully soon we will be able to share it all with you!

sammyj said:
Im not really a gecko man perfer my chams but they are amazing. Red eyed or not they look stunning almost a black leopard gecko. I love the stage 5 (i think) when they are sort of purple, black and white.
Keep up the good work, you might have just tempted me into geckos as well as chams.
Funny you should say purple that is what we have noticed, where the pictures show here as a yellowy/brown colour in the flesh it is more purple.
 
#19 ·
Im not really a gecko man perfer my chams but they are amazing. Red eyed or not they look stunning almost a black leopard gecko. I love the stage 5 (i think) when they are sort of purple, black and white.
Keep up the good work, you might have just tempted me into geckos as well as chams.
 
#23 ·
i had a leo like this last year that came in on a mates pakistani shipment, it had only one clutch of eggs and sadly died shortly after.
must have been the stress of it all!
i managed to hatch the eggs after many problems with mould on this clutch which was very unusual, the babies hatched and i had one box standard normal and then one which was completely black.
the marking which are in the black band spread over the whole body appart from a yellow nose.
it developed and the black started going a dark grey with dark black spots. after about 5 weeks it died for no apparent reason and i am still confused as to why.

i decided after to no longer breed geckos and they slowly faded out of my collection.

but after seeing this beut i am thinking of starting up again with just the dark morphs!

good one guys
 
#30 ·
well it seems im the only one thats unimpressed by this morph.

its seems that currently this morph seems to only look good when photo'd in a dark room with no flash(hint):whistling2:.

I also have to admit im kinda jealous too, as with quite a bit of hard work this could be a true coup.

I really hope this turns out good for both you and the morph and send my best gene wishes onto you.: victory:
 
#32 ·
well it seems im the only one thats unimpressed by this morph.

Not the only one Slurm, The only thing I would be interested in with this "morph" is to see how black you can make it. I have already expressed my opinion to TS-Geckos.

And again I still wish them all the luck in the world and again congratulations.
 
#35 ·
Congratulations Sam & Mike. I know you will work things out carefully to unlock her true potential.I really hope things work out well for you, the efforts you put into looking after your reps really deserves some outstanding results. I will be very interested in seeing how things develop for you. Good luck.
 
#39 ·
I think they look amazing.
Is it true that they go white as they age?
I was always led to believe that the ideal (possibly super morph of) black pearl was a pitch black (from the top view anyways) animal.
Im realy getting interested in Diablo Blancos at the moment. I just love white lizards.
 
#40 ·
They do indeed, they get to the point of a beautiful snow with a purple-ish hue.
Put it this way if i hatched a snow that looked like the BP at its lightest stage it would be a hold back.

If it proves correct that they are recessive then there can be no super form.
Of course there is variation as there is with any morph but at the moment its just an extreme hypermelanistic morph, without a doubt with line breeding these could be solid black animals as adults, and look how the hatchlings do.
 
#45 ·
Not yet sorry :( Mike was referring to the photoshoot that we did prior to this thread.

We haven't really got round to another photoshoot, but as soon as we have any photos or updates we will update the thread accordingly.
 
#47 ·
Just wondering is the black pearl different to the black velvet I have seen because the black velvet seems a 100% black gecko (apart from the belly) where-as the black pearls seem to still have colour in them

I'm not trying to urinate on your strawberries btw lol
 
#48 ·
Black Velvet Leopardgecko
"Blackie" to me is the only one that is black none of the others come close which to me with the limited info and the fact the breeder has never sold hets says the velvet is line bred, and it doesnt seem to be passing down very well. However i do believe that the Black Velvets ive linked to will be darker in the flesh, as we have found out how un-photogenic the colour makes them.

We are not to the point where the Black Pearl is solid black yet, but to have the foundations of an extreme melanistic gecko we are more than half way there, and the fact that they are genetic means that you can guarantee results dependant on the pairings.

The Black Pearl obviously isnt fully understood yet which is why its even more exciting, but to date we know of no other genetic black/melanistic lines.
 
#49 ·
ahhhh right, I think it was a different site i saw where it showed only photo's of blackie (so i thought the morph was like that) - but yes it does seem that there is colour in both and i would say that within a few years someone will get a pure black gecko
 
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