lol i had a big panic a little while about it, but i just read through my books and the answers where there

very helpful post aswell

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i heard leopard geckos brumate, the one's im getting within the next week are 07. should i allow them to brumate

anyone?

anyone keep chuckwallas, desert iguanas, collards etc?..... i 'm sure that you all know that it snows where they live...just keep that in mind for some lizards as they are definately temperate lizards.... it's freezing in the high desert during the winter....i've sat many a day watching snow flakes out in the field.... it sucked then because i couldn't go lizard hunting....i just sat there in the sand hating life!!


they can take the cold just fine.

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where bout do ou livethen mate?

i lived smack-dad in the mojave desert of california for years. i was stationed there....twentynine palms california. all i did was go herping there...i used to find sidewinders in my front yard.

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Hi there,
If I may pick up the thread again?

HABU, being pretty much obsessed with lizards, especially leos, I've done some reading and surfing through the U.S herp sites. You guys really do have some nice leos over there

One site that's pretty cool is this one, some really nice leos here too. I think if I stayed somewhere like you I'd be out herp spotting all the time, then again if you grow up with it then wild lizards etc to you will be what rabbits etc are to me here in Scotland if you know what I mean? lol

I'm not comparing rabbits to lizards, just the commonness & the novelty factors

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Could I also add that for Collared Lizards brumation is a very very different story. They display the same behaviour as beardies in winter, but have different requirements for effective brumation.

Habu is right, it does snow in the Mojave desert in winter, and as such, collared lizards are "designed" to remain active at room temperature. Because their natural habitat provides harsh winters, and due to their rapid metabolism and small size they lose weight dramatically unless they can shut down completely.

With these animals brumation is not something to be taken lightly, or carried out without a bit of research. In order to maintain their weight over the winter they need temperatures ideally between 5 and 10 degrees (underground is a little warmer than on the surface when it snows). These temps will cause them to completely shut down without freezing, enabling them to burn minimal calories. It sounds harsh I know, but in order to survive in the desert winter the simple fact is they have to be very cold.

Such low temeratures are generally unachievable in a house unless you have an unheated attic or basement. Therefore a handful of experienced breeders put them in a fridge set to about 6 degrees (NOT RECOMMENDED unless you are experienced in maintaining appropriate humidity due to the bacteria growth at this temperature and also not recommended for other reasons such as unreliability of the average fridge thermostat, etc).

Collareds can also be brumated in a garden shed or garage, preferably during the coldest months which are January and February. I personally use a frost stat heater so that if the temperature drops too low, they dont freeze. Detailed guidelines can be found at any of the following sites:

www.suncharmers.com
www.captivecollareds.co.uk
www.collaredlizards.co.uk

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Hi there after reading several articles on this subject i have a beardie 12mnths 20 inches and all he has done since i moved his viv is ly around not eating much cant find any signs of inpaction bath him every 2nd day he is due a yearly check at vets is this wise to do so while in this condition or not ? a liitle response would be fine as i sent the same message on beardie.org an the results were rather poor.cheerz knukelzz

Won't be brumation at this time of the year. It's more likely he's sulking because you've changed/moved his viv. They can get quite upset about things like this and will take a couple of weeks to get over it. Have his temps been changed at all? A slight drop will cause this.

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