so sorry these things happen and i wouldnt blame yourself i had my boa on sand for ages just for a change thinking it might be nicer for him and when ppl on here seen my set up i realised it was a bad move so dont worry at the end of the day we all do what we think is best and sometimes it doesnt work

r.i.p lil pip

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ive had arguements with people about setting anything up on sand. these are the two arguments.
1. so long as you give them enough vitamin and calcium with their diet, they shouldnt eat the sand, because in the wild they would usualy eat insects that were rich in vitamins or calcium (might be dirt rich in calcium, dunno) plus even if they do accidentally eat a couple of grains when catching pray, it should pass through easlie.
2. leopard geckos do live in pakistan which is mainly sand and rock, so they should be naturaly capable of passing grain,(dont particulary believe that
to be honest)
im have balanced opinions so post your ideas
sorry to hear you've lost your gecko, its always sad, big or small.

Im sorry geckomad but i dont agree with what you say. Even if you give the leopard geckos enough calcium and vitamins they will still eat the sand no matter what. They do not know when they have had enough calcium, most WC leopard geckos come in either impacted or internal parasites. Also to your other comments regarding where they come from Yes some do come from pakistan as well as other places but because they have been interbred with other species of Eublepharis so there orgin is now mixed so there isn't a main locality to them, leopard geckos are from south-eastern Afghanistan, throughout Pakistan, north-west India, and into Iran where it inhabits the rocky, dry grassland regions of these countries

So its a light dusting of sand on a clay type soil substance.


Im sorry for your loss of lil pip.

i was quoting, there not my beliefs, i dont have em on sand xD

Well if they aren't your beliefs why give incorrect quotes when you haven't done it via personal experience then you give more advice regarding putting sand between the heatmat and lino/vinyl even though you are completely aware of the dangers it can cause if miss used. So if you don't use sand don't give advice about using it in vivariums.

well excuse me for tryin to help.
1. exact quotes, no trippy info their
2. in a whole glass tank, heat is lost very quickly so it is hard to maintain a constant temperature. so ive used a idea which is working for me, i never implied that people HAD to use my methods, thus no reason to haras me mate.
3. incorrect? where you there when i had advice given to me? and the internet sources?

1. Exact Quotes - hmm well 19 years well 20 yrs this year of personal experience.

2. Whole Glass Tank - So your geckos are stressed to the max because they feel unsucure and frightened because they can see out of every part where ever they go.
3. Incorrect - Yes incorrect because if you had the correct advice given you would of bought a mat stat when purchasing your reptile. Never trust what you read on the internet alot of the times its all contradicted.

Your correct you never implied that people had to use your methods but either way your methods are incorrect even though you have seen a prime example of Impactation you still went and advised using sand substance. I am not Harassing you nor am I picking on you this isn't a school play ground this is the real world with real people and real reptiles. Im not trying to belittle you I'm trying to educate you with correct information instead of incorrect information.

im so sorry to hear about your loss,
its an easy mistake to take advice from pet shops but you wernt to know,
its not your fault we all need to learn from our own mistakes

i hope you are ok x
kim

im no kid and i did do reasearch into the subject before takin in the reptiles. i cover the tank with cloth, so they cant see threw all different directions. the sand is completley sealed of from the geckos. the sand will be cleared out once i buy the mat stat, but i will do more research into what safe and more natural substrate i can use. the information i got for the first quote was from the owner of the snake shop in sheffield. the second quote was from the intranetz, this site. may not be exact, but i did say i did not beleive this.

I didn't say you were a Kid did I? Also you did not state that your tank was covered with a cloth. But you have just said you don't use sand in your setups but now you do. I'm not having a pop or a dig at you just advising you on whats right and whats not.