P.S great thread, really helpful! wish id had this when i started!

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Ah right thanks, so how come people don't see it as as good as captive bred ? The babies have still been captive their whole lives.

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CF is allot worse than CB. Take a Bosc monitor for example. Adult females are taken from the wild, drop there eggs and are then usually dumped anywhere. This female is now out of her home range, severely stressed and will most likely end up dead from the whole experience.

Onto the babies: Every egg from that female will be incubated, hatched and sold on. This means that non of the babies from this clutch will ever see the wild which will not help a declining wild population. The babies are then shipped thousands of miles from Africa, usually without ever being fed (to feed them would cost money) and arrive in a pretty sorry state, half starved and are always dehydrated.

It may seem better than WC but IMO it is far worse.

Rick

P.S Almost forgot CB does not always mean Captive Bred, it is sometimes used as Captive Born (Basically the same as CF)

True Captive Bred should be CBB - Captive Born and Bred

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...if only for the cf explaination! good points.

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Although not all CF is so bad as the above example.

Some are females taken from the wild, eggs are laid then they are returned to the same area. All hatchlings from the clutches are then given a few feeds to start them on their way and a portion of them are released back into the wild. This way they have had some feeding already and have a head start, so losses in the wild will be less.

Certainly not all farms are like this, but in some places they are starting to realize that they have a market to fill and that they need to take care of their native animals rather than hunt them to extinction and destroy their livelihood.

In the cases of royals then I don't really think CF is needed as there are plenty being bred in captivity. Some species however its not so bad and gives the natives of the country something to sell without stripping the forests of trees so they can grow crops.

Mike