The way dogs are brought up! - Page 3

Emmaj · #21 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by browner93

that my point it always big dogs that get blamed for bein nasty when manily it small ratty dogs!

Josh

I have 4 big dogs and a medium size dog i play and farse about with them no bruises no nothing

when i go to my sisters...............she has JRT and she is evil she wants you to play and bites your hands trying to get the ball back she runs at you full pelt and bounces off your legs

I come home covered in bruises and sore fingers and hands from her biting me she even bit my nose the other week too

so i would say small bred dogs are far worse than larger ones

Scoffa · #22 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 12:32 PM

Most dog owners fail to recognise the fact that dogs are predators by nature and therefore need to be trained not to behave in their natural manner. It is purely down to the owners as to how their dog behaves. My mate had a 10 stone American Bulldog who was absolutely fantastic. I had more control over the dog than my mate. Whilst out with him he has killed at least 1 sheep. I happened to be out with them 1 day when the dog made a bee line for the next field where the sheep were. He was stood on the wall and I called him, he was instantly by my side. Another time I blew my whistle for my dog to return and they both came back. I used to play fight with his dog and could stop him in a breath. The dog's favourite trick was to run up behind me and knock me over. He never did it to anybody else. The dog died of liver failure earlier this year and I feel quite lost with out him.

The Gecko King :) · #23 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 12:41 PM

I have 3large dogs and a little dog, i do spoil bruno abit lol he sleeps in my bed most of the time

, my alsation i dont spoil much coz she winds me up nearly every min of the day she trys to talk but only word she can say is hmmmm nonstop, my japanese akita is a very gd guard dog and dont like much interaction she goes for anyone who goes near her, and my lil jack russell i took in as a rescue home before used to whack her if she pooed etc in the house althought they didnt take the time to house train her

Im really against hitting dogs for any reason, cause it can badly affect them usually they either go so scared and shake nonstop, or some dogs will go aggresive. I think there aint bad dogs just bad owners that make the dogs go bad.

Katiexx · #24 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 01:04 PM

To me how a dog behaves is all down to it's owner,environment and how it is raised. Does it see itself as a member of the pack or the leader? That's when problems arise.

I never see an aggressive dog and think 'omg that breed is a menace' i've seen aggressive JRT,Yorkies,Sibes,Rottys you name it..but along with those i've also seen the gentlest of all breeds. The recent outcry about rottys really sickens me tbh. It's the same thing that happened to pit bulls, a few people get attacked due to owners negligence and automatically it's 'get them on the dangerous dogs act'. The press is helping things along nicely naming only rotty attacks, nobody mentions the other attacks by mongrels or other breeds..seems like they are gunning for rottys atm, which is such a shame, as if trained well they really are a wonderful dog.

When my little whippet x got attacked last year by a bullmastiff... i didn't blame the dog, but the owners complete lack of control. She had a staffy and a bullmastif, neither of which she could control. The staffy went for my other half unprovoked, then the bullmastiff started on Lady and the staffy joined in.

It would be easy to hate the dogs and see them as evil things, but tbh it's all down to the owner. She didnt attempt to pull them off she just stood their frozen, then when my other half managed to seperate them said 'it's your own fault get a bigger dog who can look after itself' to me that said it all about her dog ownership and handling skills.

Some people just aren't meant to care for dogs. And I truly believe that.

As for dressing dogs up..I suppose each to their own though i personally don't believe in it. I remember my nephews bringing Lady a little jumper around and begging to put it on her, I allowed them to and she persisted for the next 10 mins in trying to get it off..she wasn't comfortable so I took it off n it's not been on since. To me dressing dogs up is trying to humanise them a little to much. Yes i've always treated my dogs as members of the family..pack, but I wouldn't say that i treated them as children. And clothes is a step to far in the babying direction for me personally if i'm honest.

Shelley66 · #25 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 06:48 PM

I think most of the time it is down to how owners bring their dogs up, but you do sometimes get one who is pure evil even though it has a loving owner who knows how to train it.

I say that because all my life I have lived with German Shepherds and have never had a problem with their temperament, they have all been well socialised and trained. BUT 8 years back I bought a new pup, from an ad in the local paper, something I would never do again. She was socialised like all the others, went to training classes but at the age of just 10 months I had her PTS, because by then she had bitten 6 people, one being my husband who I was standing talking to at the time, another being the dog trainer. She was so unpradictable you just didn't know when she was going to fly at someone, she would change in the blink of an eye. It broke my heart to have to make such a decision, but it was the only one I could make. The vet says it was all down to irresponsible breeding.

It took me some years to get another GSD, which I did finally last December. I went to a show breeder whose dogs were so laid back. My pup has been brought up just like all my other dogs have, and she is adorable, loves everyone and everything. Perfect!

Sometimes though it is also the parents fault that kids get bitten. When I was a kid I wasn't allowed to go running up to peoples dogs and grab hold of them, I would have had a good slap off my mother! But these days parents don't seem to tell their kids how to treat dogs properly. My dogs are all great with small kids, but the amount of times I have had kids come and grab my dogs without asking if they can touch them is unbelieveable, and if you say anything the parents give you a mouthful! I hope my daughters bring their kids up with more manners is all I can say... That is if they have any!

gwinni · #26 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 10:52 PM

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emma j- so i would say small bred dogs are far worse than larger ones

It's short person syndrome!
Jack is a sook he can be a bit funny with people he doesn't know but if he knows you he wants snuggles.My mum doesn't really like animals much but she loves jack he even gets up on her knee for cuddles but when it comes to other animals, dogs,cats,rabbits,sheep,cows,insects it doesn't matter he goes nuts and wants to eat them!Tho i did have a house rabbit that at first he wanted to eat but after about a year he loved her he would clean her eyes and ears and would follow her about waiting for her to poo.I'd ask him where his bunny was and he would get all excited and go look for her yet at ma sisters horses field he goes nuts for the rabbits!

gwinni · #27 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 10:56 PM

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Shelley66I think most of the time it is down to how owners bring their dogs up, but you do sometimes get one who is pure evil even though it has a loving owner who knows how to train it.

I say that because all my life I have lived with German Shepherds and have never had a problem with their temperament, they have all been well socialised and trained. BUT 8 years back I bought a new pup, from an ad in the local paper, something I would never do again. She was socialised like all the others, went to training classes but at the age of just 10 months I had her PTS, because by then she had bitten 6 people, one being my husband who I was standing talking to at the time, another being the dog trainer. She was so unpradictable you just didn't know when she was going to fly at someone, she would change in the blink of an eye. It broke my heart to have to make such a decision, but it was the only one I could make. The vet says it was all down to irresponsible breeding.

If it was irresponsible breeding caused by her breeder/ex owner then she wasn't evil!

browner93 · #28 (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 11:15 PM

yh i geuse it would be the people who bred the pups who made her like that1
today i meet the most softest boxer in the world and i still asked it she was ok to smooth and when i aproch a dog i let it come to me and i go down at it levle and touch it under it chin or on it chest, if you touch the dominent area witch is the head shoulders and back the dog mat take afence and turn or you.
i have 2 GSD and one i would not let neer kids and he dose not like people who he dose not no around him or cats or dogs! he gose mad but we have seen trainers, behaveurests and are vet and they all sed do not get him castrated beacuse it could make him worse with the agrastion due to his agrestion is (Fear Agestion) but with small animals he is not agresitve he just wants to play but were he plays rought he will kill them altho i have had a guinea pig sat by him with my supervistion.
my bitch poppy she si a year at the end of march, and i would not let her in with kids or fragile people because she is so rougth she is only playing or wants cuddles but people might think she was being nasty when she is not and i do NOT let people who i dont no let them touch my blue bear due to his (Fear Agretion) and he dose not like being touch due to he is also on long tear treatment and he has like theese hole things in his back feet some times witch came cause him some pain some times and he is unpridictuble.

So it is the way the owner brings up the dogs or breeder brougt up the perents and pups.

Sorry about the essay.

Thanks
Josh

Ray1981 · #29 (**permalink**) 06-03-2008, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Katiexx

To me how a dog behaves is all down to it's owner,environment and how it is raised. Does it see itself as a member of the pack or the leader? That's when problems arise.

I never see an aggressive dog and think 'omg that breed is a menace' i've seen aggressive JRT,Yorkies,Sibes,Rottys you name it..but along with those i've also seen the gentlest of all breeds. The recent outcry about rottys really sickens me tbh. It's the same thing that happened to pit bulls, a few people get attacked due to owners negligence and automatically it's 'get them on the dangerous dogs act'. The press is helping things along nicely naming only rotty attacks, nobody mentions the other attacks by mongrels or other breeds..seems like they are gunning for rottys atm, which is such a shame, as if trained well they really are a wonderful dog.

Some people just aren't meant to care for dogs. And I truly believe that.

I agreee with you, its definately down to the owner! I think now that too many people get dogs as status symbols or fashion accessories, and dont think about all the responsibilty involved.

Blueladybird · #30 (**permalink**) 07-03-2008, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Shelley66

I think most of the time it is down to how owners bring their dogs up, but you do sometimes get one who is pure evil even though it has a loving owner who knows how to train it.

I say that because all my life I have lived with German Shepherds and have never had a problem with their temperament, they have all been well socialised and trained. BUT 8 years back I bought a new pup, from an ad in the local paper, something I would never do again. She was socialised like all the others, went to training classes but at the age of just 10 months I had her PTS, because by then she had bitten 6 people, one being my husband who I was standing talking to at the time, another being the dog trainer. She was so unpradictable you just didn't know when she was going to fly at someone, she would change in the blink of an eye. It broke my heart to have to make such a decision, but it was the only one I could make. The vet says it was all down to irresponsible breeding.

It took me some years to get another GSD, which I did finally last December. I went to a show breeder whose dogs were so laid back. My pup has been brought up just like all my other dogs have, and she is adorable, loves everyone and everything. Perfect!

Sometimes though it is also the parents fault that kids get bitten. When I was a kid I wasn't allowed to go running up to peoples dogs and grab hold of them, I would have had a good slap off my mother! But these days parents don't seem to tell their kids how to treat dogs properly. My dogs are all great with small kids, but the amount of times I have had kids come and grab my dogs without asking if they can touch them is unbelieveable, and if you say anything the parents give you a mouthful! I hope my daughters bring their kids up with more manners is all I can say... That is if they have any!

I agree totally with everything you say and i'm sorry bout the GSD pup you had to have PTS. Irresponsible breeding can occassionally produce nervy, unpredictable pups and it's heart breaking to see. One of the female pups who came from the same litter as my dog had to be put down at 13 months after attacking 8 people and her littermate with no warning or obvious provacation and it couldn't be put down to her owners as they were spot on, i hand reared the litter from a week old and she was always very very unfriendly even tho i was her 'mum', the rest of the pups were great (except my Axl who's a wee

) and the people who owned her had another pup from the same litter who is still with them today and amazingly well behaved despite the other pup tearing off her ear before she was PTS. So yes, bad breeding can create uncontrolable dogs (although i believe there's always some way to get thru to a dog but an animal like that can never ever be trustworthy)

As for kids and dogs, it's drives me nuts when tiny wee tots are allowed to run up and jump all over my dog. My wee one is three and Axl is amazing with her, but he's still a dog and as such is capable of taking off a childs fingers or even face if sufficiently provoked, I don't think he ever would but it makes my blood run cold to think it might because he was scared. But when you try explaining this to the mothers some of them get really arsey about it.

My daughter, like i said, is only 3 and she is dog daft, but whenever she see's a dog coming she takes my hand and says "Aw booful goggy", if the owner then stops and says she can pet the dog fine, if not she's quite happy just to watch it trot by, but she always waits to be told it's ok.
My friends son however is a nightmare coz his mum always pulls him away and never lets him interact with any dog because she's been so spooked by all the kids getting attacked. The result is, if he gets the chance, he'll run towards a dog screaming at the top of his lungs and trying to grab it anywhere he can, my heart is always in my mouth because one of these days he's going to get seriously hurt and it'll be the dog and it's owner that get in

, even if the dog is on a lead and the wee one might end up seriously disfigured, but my friend just won't or can't understand.

Molly xxx

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