Hello everyone
been a lomg time since i have posted on here.
But hey im just wondering if anyone knows where i could bbuy some toucan birs, im lookin at keeping a pair, i have done all my research so ont worry im not goin in this blindfoled, i was hoping for a toco or keel billed, as far as i am aware these need CITES appendix II.
Failing that maybe the swaisons as far as i am aware no CITES permits are neeed for these in particular.
I just want these for my personal pets, not to make money from.
Hope some one can help.
Cheers evry1
Paul

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1 labrador x german shepard (Libby)
1 Cat (Pillow)
1 Ferret (Slinky)
6 various Frogs
2 Fishtanks (1 trop. 1 marine)
8 geckos (2 leos 2 bibrons 2 dunes 2 cresties)

I saw some was last year now but this place often has trippy birds they were at tweenways animal and bird farm near Yeovil in Somerset, about 3 hours drive down from you though, but I cant imagine they are very common

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ah cheers dude ill give em a call

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1 labrador x german shepard (Libby)
1 Cat (Pillow)
1 Ferret (Slinky)
6 various Frogs
2 Fishtanks (1 trop. 1 marine)
8 geckos (2 leos 2 bibrons 2 dunes 2 cresties)

I believe CITES papers are only needed if you are importing. If the animal was bred in this country and is staying in this country, and you aren't planning on exporting it, CITES paperwork isn't necessary - the point of CITES is to control International trade

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Reptiles4.3 Rhacodactylus ciliatus (+ 8 eggs)1.1.1 Goniurosaurus luii (+ 2 eggs)1.1 Gambelia wislizenii1.1 Lichanura trivirgata trivirgata1.1 Gongylophis colubrinus loveridgei (1 anery, 1 normal)1.3 Testudo hermanni

they would still need to come with cites papers in the uk if you buy them and they need papers they have to come with them bit like torts as well then you can only sell them on if you have there papers

It is all a bit confusing really...

As far as I can understand, it's dependent on the EU classification - as the EU lists species as Annexe A, B, C whereas the general International CITES has Annexes I,II,III.

I think the tortoise paperwork you are thinking of is the Article 10, which is needed if a species is EU Annexe A.
For example, Hermanns torts are Annexe A, so need Article 10's, whereas the Horsfield's are Annexe B and don't need paperwork (I think!).

Don't forget, species like the Green Iguana are also CITES annexe II, but i've not seen many people selling with paperwork!

So the key issue really is it's EU classification, plus whether it is a UKCB specimen. If it is Annexe B, in addition to CITES II, and bred in the UK, then no paperwork is needed as far as I can understand! But if it is Annexe A, then paperwork will be required for the specimen.

That's all I can make of it anyway!

(P.S... it would probably be best contact DEFRA, just to be 100% sure! Have had a look at the online database, seems that the Toco and Keel Billed are both EU Annexe B)

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Reptiles4.3 Rhacodactylus ciliatus (+ 8 eggs)1.1.1 Goniurosaurus luii (+ 2 eggs)1.1 Gambelia wislizenii1.1 Lichanura trivirgata trivirgata1.1 Gongylophis colubrinus loveridgei (1 anery, 1 normal)1.3 Testudo hermanni

thanks guys , i may of found a place today that has some, jus need t see if they have a pair tho... lol thanks for the help tho

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1 labrador x german shepard (Libby)
1 Cat (Pillow)
1 Ferret (Slinky)
6 various Frogs
2 Fishtanks (1 trop. 1 marine)
8 geckos (2 leos 2 bibrons 2 dunes 2 cresties)