KC reg Puppy buyers for your attention and breeders - Page 4

denny2 · #31 (**permalink**) 06-10-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Schip

Let me give you a couple of examples

Please understand examples are purely there to demonstrate a point regardless of species, would appear you've missed that bit despite my examples

Hmm butt eh sets the tone nicely

Breeds I've been in dogs since 60's are Shelties, Rough Collies, GSD's, RRB's, Pomeranians and Schipperkes, done obedience, security, agility, hunting yeah with a gun not field trials and of course showing. Believe me I know exactly what goes on with other breeds and like many many other pedigree breeders I challenge said individuals, report them etc at the end of the day its folks like you who perpetuate this behaviour - no demand no breeding they'll move onto the next money making creature - maybe reptiles eh?

sorry deary , i have only ever bought two pedegree dogs ever a cocker spaniel 25 years ago and a whippet.who was nuts due to inbreeding . so how can i be helping perpetuate the inbreeding. as for reptiles i dont breed them at all. and certainly wouldnt breed anything for profit. for your information all of the pets i have now and they are many , only two were bought and only one is pedegree (not bought by me), the rest are rescues,so if it was up to people like me the dog breeding buisness would be rather different dont you think......it seems you have allways made money from breeding .....

Schip · #32 (**permalink**) 18-10-2008, 12:17 PM

The whole purpose of this thread was to educate members about what they should experience when visiting a pedigree dog breeder and asking if they do not then please report said breeder to their local council, the KC and the RSPCA if they so wish. Feel free to attack what you don't know about my breeding it is a moot point as they say attack is the best form of defence. In my replies to this thread I was attempting to show people that a lot of what they want or think would improve things actually already happens but you seem helbent on ignoring for the sake of attacking which is a shame.

I still cannot believe you think there is no correlation between dogs and humans on the genetic comparison front. One only has to look at scientific research done be it medical or DNA based, animals are used including Dogs. You personally claim pedigree dogs are sick and deformed due to their inbreeding by us breeders.

Taking that claim a step further dogs have 400 known genetic diseases which YOU personally say are a result of inbreeding. So please explain how the Human speices has some 6,000 known genetic diseases when they have/are not inbred, several of which are shared with dogs?

I will again give you an example using my own breed of dogs this time Epilepsy seen in all speices not just canine or human. The first link takes you to our breed with a member of the Helsinki research team collecting DNA swabs from all dogs present for the show. Also present at this show was a KC field officers inspecting how the show was run and making sure that all KC/government regulations were adhered too -this is a normal occurrance at any randomly chosen dog show. In addition to that we had Dr Jeff Sampson the KC geneticist who was very interested in the work being undertaken by the team in Helsinki who are also working with some of the Animal Health trust group in the UK, his main base of employment.

Schipperkes UK| dedicated to Schipperkes in the UK, celebrating the Schipperke worldwide

This second link takes you to the Helsinki university where the lady above works as a part of a canine research team working with various breeds.

Koirien geenitutkimus - Canine genetic research in Finland

fenwoman · #33 (**permalink**) 18-10-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Schip

HOT OFF THE PRESS

The Kennel Club
General Code of Ethics

All breeders who register their puppies, and new owners who register ownership of their dogs with the Kennel Club, accept the jurisdiction of the Kennel Club and undertake to abide by its general Code of Ethics.

Breeders/Owners:
Will properly house, feed, water and exercise all dogs under their care and arrange for appropriate veterinary attention if and when required.
Will agree without reservation that any veterinary surgeon performing an operation on any of their dogs which alters the natural conformation of the animal, may report such operation to the Kennel Club.
Will agree that no healthy puppy will be culled. Puppies which may not conform to the Breed Standard should be placed in suitable homes.
Will abide by all aspects of the Animal Welfare Act.
Will not create demand for, nor supply, puppies that have been docked illegally.
Will agree not to breed from a dog or bitch which could be in any way harmful to the dog or to the breed.
Will not allow any of their dogs to roam at large or to cause a nuisance to neighbours or those carrying out official duties.
Will ensure that their dogs wear properly tagged collars and will be kept leashed or under effective control when away from home.
Will clean up after their dogs in public places or anywhere their dogs are being exhibited.
Will only sell dogs where there is a reasonable expectation of a happy and healthy life and will help with the re-homing of a dog if the initial circumstances change.
Will supply written details of all dietary requirements and give guidance concerning responsible ownership when placing dogs in a new home.
Will ensure that all relevant Kennel Club documents are provided to the new owner when selling or transferring a dog, and will agree, in writing, to forward any relevant documents at the earliest opportunity, if not immediately available.
Will not sell any dog to commercial dog wholesalers, retail pet dealers or directly or indirectly allow dogs to be given as a prize or donation in a competition of any kind. Will not sell by sale or auction Kennel Club registration certificates as stand alone items (not accompanying a dog).
14. Will not knowingly misrepresent the characteristics of the breed nor falsely advertise dogs nor mislead any person regarding the health or quality of a dog.

Breach of these provisions may result in expulsion from club membership, and/or disciplinary action by the Kennel Club and/or reporting to the relevant authorities for legal action, as appropriate.

be interested to see how they will enforce them though.I doubt there will be mass expulsion of puppy farmers as they give too much revenue to the KC.
To be honest, the 'code' is a load of tosh and they have no means of discovering breaches nor doing anything about them. I notice it's simply a code of ethics and not strict 'rules'. Another sop to the animal righrs brigade, rushed out in response to the BBC TV programe a month ago which outraged most animal loving members of the public when the lid was lifted on some bleddy cruel practices by breeders.
as for
Will not knowingly misrepresent the characteristics of the breed nor falsely advertise dogs nor mislead any person regarding the health or quality of a dog.
Does this mean that buyers of bulldogs will tell potential owners " you can't let the dog play about in the sunshine, it won't be able to run about like other dogs, it can't swim, it can't mate or whelp by itself and the mother has had 3 ceasarians, it'll have breathing problems all it's life and you have to clean the wrinkles every day to stop yeast and bacterial infections taking hold, it will be prone to cherry eye, entropian and other problems".
Or the pug breeder "your dog will have not only breathing problems all it's life but will also suffer eye problems like painful ulceration"
I somehow doubt it very much.
And when the kennel club finds out that they haven't told the buyers, will they be expelling pug and bulldog breeders en masse? I shan't hold my breath.

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