education, not restriction. stupid people also buy cars. hey don't buy a car! they kill people! and if you buy one, you'll only encourage them to make more. pretty soon they may be teaching kids how to drive cars in school!

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with any animal, you have to be dedicated. what does that mean? simply willing and able to do the proper thing. sorry for being an ass a minute ago but you said a bad word!!..... don't! never tell someone don't, when you are trying to educate them what they can do. don't teach your children to read or write because they might end up in the military and kill people. and maybe even kill monkeys when they're bored. deforestation and human encroachment is a obscenely more powerful tool in wiping out marmoset than someone who educates themselves and thereby becomes an avocate for the species. two words for you... bush meat. go talk to them. they are the bad guys not someone that is wanting to learn and be an avocate of certain animals. so go ahead and rescue monkeys in england. i personaly think that you are in the wrong hemisphere to do much good for the big picture. i'm done now...

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i would be careful there is a huge con going round about these monkeys
the person is advertising everywhere and different prices all the time.
cheapest i saw was £200 the person lived in london
i hope to god you never paid upfront

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Ok Habu, I think you have made a total ass of yourself. You have proven yourself to be somebody that I will ignore on this forum apart from this.

Yes, I have strong opinions and I fight for what I believe in, but I don't see how that is a bad thing or how that makes me a bad person.
I simply don't think that anybody is capable of forfilling the needs of a lone monkey, especially not somebody who already has time consuming pets such as a horse, dog and parrot.

You say that my methods of education are wrong, and yet to get your point across to me you resorted to stupid personal attacks about my hair. I would never do that. And no, I don't have a car and my furniture is recycled. And yes, I do fight to save whales.
I believe that one person does have the power to changes things, and if you do not see that then I think that's proof of why the world is stuck in its ignorant ways. I do my best to look after the planet that I am lucky to be on because I believe it is my duty. I don't see why I should be looked down upon or ridiculed because of that.

You say that I have too much time on my hands..but you are a 40 odd year old bloke trying to humiliate a 19 year old girl. Go figure.

Tiny acts have huge effects.

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Two Leopard Geckos (Orchid and Stanley)
One Mount Meru Jackson's Chameleon (Molokai)
One Snow Corn Snake (Sen)
One Lutino Cockatiel (Oscar)
One Grey Budgerigar (Benny)
One Collie Cross Dog (Nova)
Two Cats (Cocoa and Cuddles)
Two Guinea Pigs (Toffee and Floss)
One hamster (Poppy)

Wish list: Plumed Basilisk,Frilled Dragon, African Pygmy Hedgehog.

well, first of all, the hair thing is an expression that you may not have heard before during your extensive travels. not a literal thing that most people would have at least picked up on. but you are so very close to being one of those self rightous people that also want to ban ferrets like in nyc. or hey hmmm, i don't know... maybe reptiles. maybe start with cites I and then move on to II. heck! let's ban 'em all. saving the world is not a hobby. although you may want to get one. you do a little good here and there and it's enough for you to feel good about yourself. if you don't like something then just don't do it. how about skunks? maybe one day you may DECIDE that us keepers aren't good enough to keep them. i have nothing against you personally, but trying to exert control over other peoples hobbies no, passions, is plain wrong. an d maybe i'm the only one that feels this way, but when it comes to people messing with my abilities to keep something that i am qualified to keep, well, your getting a little too close to my world. be it snakes or monkeys it's all the same. give you an inch and you'll take a mile. what if no one had primates? would you just go away and tend your organic garden? no, you'll find another crusade. you're probably a very nice person. you seem inteligent enough. but you have no right to pass judgement on anyone else unless they personally interfer with your persuit of happiness. i don't know how old you are but i guess under 30. you have good, positive energy and your heart seems to be in the right place but you should put that energy into doing something that may really make a difference. open a primate keeper training school to ensure that people are comitted to what they are undertaking. not just providing a sound bite telling people that they are bad. i never give an inch to people who want to restrict things. you can't trust them. so what if you have a Phd. in primatology! if you want to save marmosets, go and stop the logging. that's what's killing them. ask any field biologist. so again, i wasn't talking about your hair. you must not be from around here.

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how would he of known you were a 19 year old girl? I also think your views are wrong I wont attack you personally over it, but a bit of debate never hurt anyone

Alot of what you are refering to are the appalling conditions monkeys are kept in in different countries, some of these countries are pretty much 3rd world, gone are the days when people keep marmosets in a parrot cage, alot of private primate keepers set ups resemble that of a zoo and better.

Correct me if im wrong but all primates are protected by CITIES which offers them some degree of protection from WC and import, and anyway theres alot of breeders here in the UK to make that not needed.

I agree though that they definately shouldnt be kept alone you need a pair at least, also I wouldnt keep them indoors all the time its best to have a aviary in the garden with an indoor section for them to go in as well.

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one thing to say.take how you will. someone once said...as the dominant species on this planet it is our duty.no it is our obligation to look after all other species.

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Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 - 196, Strength to Love, 1963

yeah, all other species. theres about 4 BILLION people around the world that never consider that. serious hobbists have little or no impact on exotic wildlife. how much virgin rainforest do we lose a year to hobbiests? look at sumatra or borneo. i guess that hobbists are killing the orangutans and white rhinos.

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First of all i think mr habu you should keep YOUR opinions to yourself about what other people think and wish to do. i have no doubt you may know what you are talking about but obviously there is no proof this is true , as with everyone else on here. But this whole section has gotten out of hand (no problem with debate) completely off subject and not fair to people using their time on here to try and educate people of their own views and experiences. I PERSONALLY DO NOT THINK ANY ANIMAL THAT IS CLASSED AS ENDANGERED SHOULD BE KEPT AS A PET! It should be down to Zoo`s and foundations to help breed and re-populate these animals and get them back to where they belong......IN THE WILD! then and only then should we even consider having them as a pet. To the person who is thinking of getting the marmoset i really hope you have a serious think about this as you can see its caused a lot debate through these posts . Just please take into consideration that you already have a number of animals most people would never manage to look after.....so if you do decide on getting and caring for a marmoset i wish you all the luck possible,you`ll need it

private keepers have managed to achieve breeding goals that zoos have failed on, whats to say a zoo is any more qualified than a private individual? the fact that they are a 'zoo', I just think that the point of what she was saying was, wasnt correct,saying things that are opinion and putting them across as fact is not the best way to go about it.

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