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Old 08-01-2008, 04:11 PM
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Save the cubs - antis think you are defying the natural world.

Allow the cubs to die and then you are slammed by the private market.
Intrinsically, I do not have a problem with not hand-rearing the cubs. What I have a problem with is that the article implied they were not going to humanely euthanise them. To me, letting an animal starve to death is NOT an option.
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Old 08-01-2008, 04:11 PM
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the name of the zoo is given out in the news report and they have a website and on that website is their email address so maybe we should make ourselves heard and bombard them with emails regarding this matter
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Old 08-01-2008, 04:23 PM
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If you euthanise them, then that is still intervention.

If they starve to death this is apparently natural.

If in the wild, the mother was to abandon her kits, then there would be no helpful hand to assist, there would be no one to ensure that the youngsters were fed, they would starve to death.

It is the same when a photographer or documentary filmer must not intervene if they see something that churns their stomach, nature must pay its course.

If you are okay with them not hand rearing or assisting the mother, then surely you can not expect them to euthanise under the same principal.

I don't really wish to play Devils' Advocate here Ssthisto, but this is what the antis have forced onto the politics of the zoo.

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ps: on a side note, yes you all could 'bombard' the zoo administration - as indeed l believe was done before. But all due respect here, when the EPS was requesting assistance from fellow non EPS keepers, l do not recall any kind of bombardment then. Just a thought eh.

What may seem like a good idea from a few at the time, does not necessarily mean that everyone will do as they should.
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The best bit of all with this zoo/antis/governments is this:

Sci/Tech

Global warming could starve polar bears

BBC News | Sci/Tech | Global warming could starve polar bears

So when new cubs are needed to enrich conservation, mankind is still killing all the natural habitats anyway.

Or even this:

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Polar bear 'extinct within 100 years'

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ps; I think this was the other story to do with polar bears:

Fate of baby polar bear uncertain - Telegraph

Nation & World | Fans agree Germany's polar-bear cub too cute to kill | Seattle Times Newspaper

Is Berlin's Polar Bear Baby too Human? Knut Should Be Killed, Say Some Animal Activists - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

Oh yeah the antis are f###ing super aren't they?

Oh?

BBC NEWS | Magazine | What are zoos for?
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Old 08-01-2008, 05:06 PM
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The antis didnt win this time just found this reported 11 mintues ago they have removed the last cub for hand rearing !!!! thank god they seen sense i just hope it isnt too late German Zoo to Raise New Polar Bear Cub | World Latest | Guardian Unlimited

German zoo relents on bottle-feeding after cub deaths (Roundup) - Europe_

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the name of the zoo is given out in the news report and they have a website and on that website is their email address so maybe we should make ourselves heard and bombard them with emails regarding this matter
Tried that and my e-mails have bounced back (see my earlier thread). Presumably they've been inundated with complaints and either their server is full, or they've closed that e-mail address down.

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The antis didnt win this time just found this reported 11 mintues ago they have removed the last cub for hand rearing !!!! thank god they seen sense i just hope it isnt too late German Zoo to Raise New Polar Bear Cub | World Latest | Guardian Unlimited.
Well that in itself is hypocritical, given what the director and his assistant have said in previous interviews. Why allow 2 to die (more or less knowing that this was going to happen) and then 'rescue' the one that they weren't even worried about. I wonder if it is about all the world media coverage giving them grief???


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If you euthanise them, then that is still intervention.

If they starve to death this is apparently natural.

If in the wild, the mother was to abandon her kits, then there would be no helpful hand to assist, there would be no one to ensure that the youngsters were fed, they would starve to death.

It is the same when a photographer or documentary filmer must not intervene if they see something that churns their stomach, nature must pay its course.
I hear what you are saying Rory and I agree with you about the politics of it all, but again what happens in nature does kind of have to happen. The animals being filmed by documentary film crews are living a natural life in the wild and I can appreciate why they mustn't intervene (not that it makes it any easier to watch!), but these animals are being kept artificially and not in their own environment, never mind in the wild.
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The antis didnt win this time just found this reported 11 mintues ago they have removed the last cub for hand rearing !!!! thank god they seen sense i just hope it isnt too late German Zoo to Raise New Polar Bear Cub | World Latest | Guardian Unlimited

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Well I am glad that the last one has a chance, but it may well be too little too late and it's a shame they didn't make this decision earlier.
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As I said I think they've been 'forced' into this by the bad media coverage they've had.
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that is so awful
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