I agree, whenever the cocker shows signs of it or deos it, shut him out. and don't let him in, then hell learn that if he wants to coem in he must behave.

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You don't have to agree. I don't watch the dog whisperer, I am talking from experience of this particular problem, with several generations of dogs.

Try this for new thinking. People aren't dogs and as such can't be part of a pack. The pack only includes the 2 dogs concerned and one has to be the leader and one is the omega. I didn't say that the attacks should be allowed to continue, I said that the dogs have to be allowed their pecking order and the way to limit the conflict is to support the order as it is. Cages and muzzles are ok a restraints but they won't solve the problem, nither will punishing the spaniel - the owner has already said this aggravetes the problem. I hope my explaination as to why the problem exists may lead the owner to understand the issues and then work with that knowledge to solve the problem.

Programs like the dog whisperer give the impression that serious behavioural problems can be fixed in five minutes. This is not the case at all.

Thanks Dan you too.I have had many dogs and done lots of learning and training of dogs of all types and of all different kinds.If you are patient and persistent (SP) and you have the correct frame of mind you can accomplish a lot.You have to be pack leader and take no crap from any of them.Also you need to have an understanding of dogs and dog behaviour.There is never any need to smack a dog or harm it in any way.All you need to do is get across that you and you alone is the leader.You need to know when to praise and how to praise and when to act.Timing holds the key and awareness of everything at all times even if you don't seem to be aware.

Evie I am sorry but I don't agree with what you are saying.Dogs do look to us for leadership and they certainly do see us as part of the pack.

"Evie"
I think you have a blinkered view as to the behaviour of dogs, they are pretty simple creatures really that depend on respect for there pack structure.
If you physicaly pick it up and move it, it will soon learn that to get what it wants (to be sat with you) it must work within your rules and not its own and therefore gain respect for you. and this will help in a number of situations.
Again like everyone else this is just my opinion and without being a dog i guess we will never know, but i have been living with dogs since i used to ride round on my spaniel as a todler hehe so i reckon i have a good idea of how they think.
I dont want to cause any arguments, just trying to help.
Thanks

Dan

Im sorry but Evie is right............too many people watch the Dog whisperer a few times and think they know it all lol

She is right in what she is saying the pack is the dogs not the human...........yes the humans are there to guide the pack and lead the pack but they have to sort their pecking order between themselves they need to find their place in the pack under you...........

In the wild like she said the older dogs that have problems are just left to die may it be naturally or by other means...............the cocker has noticed that the dane has problems and in the wild would have been put out of its misery as it wouldnt be able to defend itself................

All that can be done in these situations is to monitor them closely so the dane doesnt come to any harm and step in take him from the room give him time out on his complete own for 10 mins everytime he displays the behaviour to the dane he will slowly learn that the behaviour is unacceptable

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I know where you are coming from Littlefoot but ask yourself how many dogs fight each other in the name of dominance but wouldn't dream of biting a person. The whole pack leader thing gets done to death and it isn't the b-all and end all that people think it is. Yes we control their environment and food and stuff but they don't see us in the same way that they see each other. I am not saying that we shouldn't lead them, what I am trying to get at is that their relationships with each other are nothing to do with us.

When I have had this problem in the past, it is control and management that is important. Keeping them safe. Someone said let the old dog settle before letting the cocker into the room - great it diffuses things - that is management. Telling the dog no - that is control, which is a training issue. The fact is that the normal channels of canine communication have been disrupted. Old age has dulled the senses of the dane so it isn't responding to the cocker in the way it used to so the cocker is not understanding why and thinks the dane is ignoring him and feels compelled to take a more direct action. It isn't being 'bad', it is doing what it feels it must. I seriously doubt that punishing the cocker will make any significant difference - it will just have a go at the dane when the owner isn't looking, eventually it will get to the point where they can't even be in the same room.
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I have kept dogs all my life. Competed in obedience, agility, working trials and HTM. I have worked as a groomer, a trainer, in boarding/breeding/rescue kennels. I am a qualified trainer/instructor and have studied behaviour, evolution, physiology............... anyway my opinions are well backed up.

O.K well you have your beliefs and trainings and I have mine.So lets agree to dissagree.

i agree with littlefoot and others i have 3 dogs all of them see me as boss/leader what ever you want to call it ...if one of mine miss behaves then they are taken away from the situation and fun whilst the others are allowed to continue.......if i was in the situation i would make sure that the dane comes first in everything ie; gets fed first...be let into room first ect ect this may help to put the other one in its place

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Thanks to you all! You have given me some ideas! Taking the little un out of the room for a while seems a good idea to me.

Believe me - I know I'm pack leader - its just the dogs who don't seem to understand it!

You ought to see the cocker when the great dane isn't there - he is terrified of his own shadow!

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