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Old 22-02-2008, 10:39 PM
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I don't agree with this. You should be the pack leader, not your cocker spaniel! You've had both for a long time and by the way you're talking it sounds like the cocker has always been the pack leader. Watch Dog Whisperer and take action !

The pecking order is leader, everyone else is a follower. Get your energy in the right place and keep thinking this is MY house! See the stage one of the cocker's behaviour, the signs that the Dane keeps missing as evie said, but you can recognise them. Prolongued eye contact, the stiffening of the chest, redirect the cocker's thoughts so he doesn't attack your dane! Ceser on Dog whisperer is amazing and I suggest you watch a few episodes to see what I'm talkin about.

I know I'm sounding quite aggressive in this post, I'm sorry. It's just I don't believe in letting one dog pick on another to the point on drawing blood, because it's "nature's way". be the boss!
I was just about to say the same thing, had dogs all of my life and you have to be the pack leader.
If you become a pack leader not a pet owner you will no longer have this issue.
Buy the book how to be the pack leader by cesar Millan the gut really is amazing.
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Old 22-02-2008, 10:43 PM
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You don't have to agree. I don't watch the dog whisperer, I am talking from experience of this particular problem, with several generations of dogs.

Try this for new thinking. People aren't dogs and as such can't be part of a pack. The pack only includes the 2 dogs concerned and one has to be the leader and one is the omega. I didn't say that the attacks should be allowed to continue, I said that the dogs have to be allowed their pecking order and the way to limit the conflict is to support the order as it is. Cages and muzzles are ok a restraints but they won't solve the problem, nither will punishing the spaniel - the owner has already said this aggravetes the problem. I hope my explaination as to why the problem exists may lead the owner to understand the issues and then work with that knowledge to solve the problem.

Programs like the dog whisperer give the impression that serious behavioural problems can be fixed in five minutes. This is not the case at all.
I think that if you watched the Cesar work you would change your mind. Humans are part of the pack and have to be pack leader.
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Old 22-02-2008, 11:05 PM
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I think that if you watched the Cesar work you would change your mind. Humans are part of the pack and have to be pack leader.
I have seen it a couple of times but don't make a habit of watching. He uses choke chains and pinch collars in some cases, and I dont have any time for that kind of training. I am sure it works for him but I prefer a more hands off and reward based approach.

Please tell me why there are so many dogs who are aggressive with other dogs and fight with dogs in the park but wouldn't dream of attacking a human? And why hasn't the cocker spaniel in question ever attacked its owner in order to acheive a higher status?
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Old 23-02-2008, 12:48 AM
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I have 13 dogs and without me as pack leader it would all fall apart.If I walk into a room with dogs on the chair they get off without me saying a words. I use kindness for training but do not let them get away with anything. My dogs adore me and I adore them BUT I am the pack leader and am totally respected.They know that the kids and partner are higher than them and the cats too, they understand what I teach them and do as I say. This is how it should be if you watch Ceasar Milan or if you dont
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I have seen it a couple of times but don't make a habit of watching. He uses choke chains and pinch collars in some cases, and I dont have any time for that kind of training. I am sure it works for him but I prefer a more hands off and reward based approach.

Please tell me why there are so many dogs who are aggressive with other dogs and fight with dogs in the park but wouldn't dream of attacking a human? And why hasn't the cocker spaniel in question ever attacked its owner in order to acheive a higher status?
The short answer to this question is they do! Dogs do bite and even kill humans.
Lots of dogs are human aggresive but not animal.
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Old 23-02-2008, 07:47 PM
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The short answer to this question is they do! Dogs do bite and even kill humans.
Lots of dogs are human aggresive but not animal.
Ok deliberately misinterpreting the question doesn't make you right. I posted here because I wanted to help not because I wanted to argue.

Lots of people have posted on the strength that they have kept dogs all their lives. So bear in mind that We have all lived among people all our lives but it doesnt make us psychologists, we have all spoken English all our lives but it doesn't make us English teachers - there's a bit more study involved.
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Ok deliberately misinterpreting the question doesn't make you right. I posted here because I wanted to help not because I wanted to argue.

Lots of people have posted on the strength that they have kept dogs all their lives. So bear in mind that We have all lived among people all our lives but it doesnt make us psychologists, we have all spoken English all our lives but it doesn't make us English teachers - there's a bit more study involved.
The last thing that I want to do is argue, I would think that we are all on here for the same thing. I know that my intention was to help with the problem and I have expresed my opinion as you have.
We will never all agree on the same thing, we all have our own opinion.
My opinion is that if you establish yourself as the pack leader not the pet owner the attacks will stop.
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Old 23-02-2008, 09:38 PM
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Ruffled feathers are simply an indication of our passion for our animals and as long as our motives are in the best interest of our critters.... well every credit to all the posters.
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