june IHS show - Page 4

Nerys · #31 (**permalink**) 21-04-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EASTCOAST.EXOTICS

my point exactly, i dont see why jo public should be allowed in buy a snake or lizard and then ask what does it feed on,plus it also keeps the antis out

i don't see how it keeps the antis out.. whats to stop them joining the IHS and coming in anyway??

not that i have ever seen a strong anti presence at any shows... but none the less, there is nothing to stop an anti from joining, and coming alongside all the rest of the members. And with the amount of people taking pics these days at shows.. how do you know that the young lad with the camera pointed at YOUR stall.. is not an anti ?? you don't..

Nerys

EASTCOAST.EXOTICS · #32 (**permalink**) 21-04-2008, 10:09 PM

point taken. but if you was an anti would you waste your money on joining. i dont think i would

gargoyle1980 · #33 (**permalink**) 21-04-2008, 10:10 PM

Then you underestimate how far some people would go.

Nerys · #34 (**permalink**) 21-04-2008, 10:28 PM

to an anti, who is a member of one of the larger groups.. no.. 19 quid is nothing, if it means the chance to discredit the "enemy"..

apart from anything else, if you apply in the name of say, john smith.. then that card can be used by any bloke at any ihs show or event anywhere in the uk.. we don't have to show ID to prove we are who we say we are on the card afterall.

this is taken from aniamal aid's website..

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<H3>Reptile fairs

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Unlike the bird fairs, recent reptile fairs have proved to be financially disastrous. Although reptile dealers make more of an effort than bird dealers to disguise the true nature of their 'shows', it is not difficult to find clear evidence of commercial trading. To circumvent the law they pose as private individuals selling their surplus pets - but several traders have handed us their business cards and one trader even admitted supplying pet shops.

Letter writing has worked very well in stopping various one-day fairs and has saved thousands of animals. Please stress that most of the birds and reptiles have been taken from their home in the wild. Please write to the following councils and ask them to ensure that no more illegal sales take place in their area. Mr S Lawson, Principal Environmental Health Officer, Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council, PO Box 19, Council House, Solihull, B91 3QT.
email: slawson@solihull.gov.uk
Peter Randall, Principal Environmental Health Officer, Basildon District Council, St Martin's Square, Basildon SS14 1DL.
email: peter.randall@basildon.gov.uk
Sue Blazdell, Environmental Health Manager, City Offices, Colebrook Street, Winchester SO23 9LG.
email: sblazdell@winchester.gov.uk
Steve Webster, Head of Environmental Health Services, Redditch Borough Council, The Town Hall, Alcester Street, Redditch B98 8AH.
email: steve.webster@redditchbc.gov.uk
Andy Jarvis, Head of Environmental Health Services, Broadland District Council, Thorpe Lodge, Norwich NR7 0DU.
email: a.jarvis@broadland.gov.uk

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other extracts from their propoganda..

"Lizards and snakes in tiny plastic takeaway cartons"

and just to highlight my point..

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<H3>Animal Aid investigation reveals cruelty at illegal reptile fair

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Cheshunt, Herts - An Animal Aid investigator documented numerous animal welfare violations while secretly filming at an illegal reptile fair which took place at Broxbourne Civic Hall yesterday. The International Herpetological Society (IHS), organisers of the event, failed to apply to Broxbourne Borough Council for a licence under the Pet Animals Act, 1951 - a legal requirement - leaving the council unaware of the event until the last moment.

Although the reptile fair was billed as a 'members' only' event, a tactic often employed by disingenuous reptile dealers trying to circumnavigate the law, our investigator was allowed unrestricted entry without question. Video evidence taken inside shows animals crammed inside small cardboard take-away boxes with only a few small puncture holes for air. The boxes were frequently stacked two or three high reducing airflow even further. Others were kept in empty margarine tubs with no respite from the gazing public. Many of the traders had travelled for hours to and from the event, meaning some animals spent up to 12 hours in these appalling conditions.

</H3>this is the full article

Animal Aid: Broxbourne Council to crackdown on reptile dealers

this a list of animal aids reptile related campaigns..

Animal Aid: Search results

these are from the CAPS site..

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These photos from a reptile fair show how snakes and spiders are held in small plastic containers.

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full article here

Help to stamp out illegal reptile and bird fairs

and list of caps campaigns here

Search the Captive Animals' Protection Society

anyway...

phones going again.. wonder who that could be...

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Mason · #35 (**permalink**) 22-04-2008, 09:10 AM

when did this change? I am pretty sure the last IHS sheet thing I had said it was open to the public?

I dont' agree with them being memebers only. Members getting in earlier yes fine, paying members should get some kind of perk but I think closed shows aren't the way forward.

Dirtydozen · #36 (**permalink**) 22-04-2008, 09:11 AM

yeah but half an hour earlier is a bit crap, i liked the way the did it last year tbh, two shows open to the public and one that was members only but this year they are both members only

sam. · #37 (**permalink**) 22-04-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by EASTCOAST.EXOTICS

but the point is anybody can go to a pet shop and buy a snake ,the shop will gladly sell you one no questions asked , if your a member of a club you have paid your fee for the year this way you are showing your best intrest in your hobby you get to no a variety of people ,diffrent breeders etc, its completely diffrent from talking on a forum the breeders are there to sell there reps most of them no each other, .

so is eastcoast exotics a shop????? do you sell to people who are not knowledgable???

I know my local rep shop certainly dont - they ask far more questions than breeders do (in my experiance anyway) - and have turned away loads of business whilst I have been in the shop just to ensure the new owner fully understands their responcabilities.

if on monday a person is no a member then they are a muppet - tuesday they hear there is a show and pay 20 quid for a member ship - are they now crowned with the almightly knowledge of a fully fledged herptologist???

dont get me wrong - I think the IHS is great - I have a memkbership and like young gun I want my little extras for what I pay

however - I still wouldnt have a clue how to look after an iguana... and I think your comment makes you sound like a bit of a numpty

madaboutreptiles · #38 (**permalink**) 22-04-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by EASTCOAST.EXOTICS

PALAMANDA some of what you say is true, but the point is anybody can go to a pet shop and buy a snake ,the shop will gladly sell you one no questions asked , if your a member of a club you have paid your fee for the year this way you are showing your best intrest in your hobby you get to no a variety of people ,diffrent breeders etc, its completely diffrent from talking on a forum the breeders are there to sell there reps most of them no each other, i dont think twenty pound for a joint membership is out of the way , you get a newsletter you get a booklet a couple of times a year full of information, and all the show dates. after all you can spend that money in the pub in under an hour. so its not much to ask for when the I.H.S do so much for so very little pay and hard work they put in organising the show .

I do agree 100% but how many people join the IHS just so they can get into the show to buy or sell cheap snakes?

I do not agree that being a member of a club automaticly makes you a good keeper

scotshop · #39 (**permalink**) 22-04-2008, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sam.

so is eastcoast exotics a shop????? do you sell to people who are not knowledgable???

I know my local rep shop certainly dont - they ask far more questions than breeders do (in my experiance anyway) - and have turned away loads of business whilst I have been in the shop just to ensure the new owner fully understands their responcabilities.

if on monday a person is no a member then they are a muppet - tuesday they hear there is a show and pay 20 quid for a member ship - are they now crowned with the almightly knowledge of a fully fledged herptologist???

dont get me wrong - I think the IHS is great - I have a memkbership and like young gun I want my little extras for what I pay

however - I still wouldnt have a clue how to look after an iguana... and I think your comment makes you sound like a bit of a numpty

east coast exotics IS a shop. my shop. and we have NOTHING to do with this guy, i swear! Please let everyone know we are not affiliated with this person in ANY way!!!

sam. · #40 (**permalink**) 23-04-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by scotshop

east coast exotics IS a shop. my shop. and we have NOTHING to do with this guy, i swear! Please let everyone know we are not affiliated with this person in ANY way!!!

makes a little more sence now - who is this joker then?

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