Dear All,

Lots of people have been very kind about my sick yellow foot I was very touched from all your support.

I checked Mad Eye tonight and she seems a little better, I hate going down to the shed and checking her as of course she may be dead. She is still sick but I feel that it is now 50/50 and not 99/01 like I felt it was this afternoon.

If she does make it then "Baytril" is a miracle drug

Good luck Clive and all my luck Mad Eye... keeping everything crossed for a full recovery.

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thanks tina

will have my fingers crossed for mad eye x x

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1.0.0 bearded dragon called Darwin
1.0.0 albino leopard gecko called Dylan
0.1.0 blizzard leopard gecko called Snowball
0.1.0 normal leopard gecko called Pebbles
0.0.1 albino leopard gecko called Peaches
0.0.3 fan footed geckos
1.1.0 cats called Harry and Lucy
1.2.0 tortoises called Henry, Tammy and Minty...

cheers Darwin

I will keep my fingers crossed for her!

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o so glad to hear things are looking up for her good luck fingers crossed
all the best m8

andy

Hi Clive.

I am so pleased to read your update on Mad Eye, and am hoping that the night was kind to her,and that she is still with you now.

I still firmly believe that fluid backups with at least the electrolytes would be the way to go, even if you won't consider the extra vits at this time. The reason being that Baytril can be hard of her kidney's which will already be working overtime due to having to try to clear all the impurities from her body. Electrolytes compensate for that in a big way, and so will help 100%,and is what a Vet would give at these times. I do understand that it is very hard to try to syringe or tube fluids into a tortoise, but you could try soaking her in them. It has to be worth a go. The jury is still out on whether or not a tortoise really can take in fluids using this method, (so I have been informed, and have no reason to doubt the persons word) but please do go for it. You are already giving Mad Eye warm baths, so there would be no difference in what you are already doing with her, but you could up her changes 100 fold by adding the electrolytes. They really are a life saver.

Thinking of you both, and hoping and praying that Mad Eye makes it.

Mo.

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One of the reasons Baytril has gained popularity over Amikacin is that it is not hard on the kidneys.

Ed

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Hi Ed.

Whilst until recently I also believed that to be so, and indeed always said so, I now have grave reservations about the safety of Baytril in the long term at least, so prefer to err on the side of caution. Gone are the days of most knowledgeable Vets recommending the injecting of Baytril as a norm too, due to tissue damage and other such problems associated with it, so would not be injecting Baytril into the tortoise unless there were no other method of doing so. Some damage at the injection site can be permanent, so not to used lightly for that reason alone.

Amikin is not as widely used now either.

In the absence of Clive reporting back here on Mad Eye today, (I hope that does not mean bad news) I will whilst waiting for him, put up a little info for you, and perhaps then you can research further yourself. There is plenty of information out there re the type of antibiotic being mentioned here.

Kind Regards,

Mo.

PS information that is correct one week can vastly alter within the next, making it hard to keep fully abreast of it all at times.


Quinolones, and especially ciprofloxacin, are linked clearly with acute renal failure. They should be
prescribed carefully to patients with impaired renal function. Quinolones can destroy some of the
microtubules of the kidney that filter the blood. Once again it seems that it is due to a vasculitic ischemia
(narrowing of the micro-vessels of the kidney) that induces a necrosis of critically important glomeruli and
tubuli in the kidney. This condition leads to progressive kidney failure, an end-stage condition that requires
either hemodyalisis or a transplant. The only symptom that causes a first stage kidney damage can be
foamy urine.

Quinolones are very toxic drugs for the liver, pancreas and kidneys. It is typical to have elevated liver and
pancreas enzymes counts for months or years after the treatment.


Baytril® is a broad-spectrum fluoroquinolone, available in an injectable solution (dogs only),tablet form, and convenient taste tabs. Enrofloxacin is not recommended for dogs and cats sensitive to the family of drugs known as quinolones. Product label:

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"If you talk with the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them, you will not know them and what you do not know, you will fear. What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George (1899-1981)