Originally Posted by Maureen Collinson

Hi Ed.

Whilst until recently I also believed that to be so, and indeed always said so, I now have grave reservations about the safety of Baytril in the long term at least, so prefer to err on the side of caution. Gone are the days of most knowledgeable Vets recommending the injecting of Baytril as a norm too, due to tissue damage and other such problems associated with it, so would not be injecting Baytril into the tortoise unless there were no other method of doing so. Some damage at the injection site can be permanent, so not to used lightly for that reason alone.

Amikin is not as widely used now either.

In the absence of Clive reporting back here on Mad Eye today, (I hope that does not mean bad news) I will whilst waiting for him, put up a little info for you, and perhaps then you can research further yourself. There is plenty of information out there re the type of antibiotic being mentioned here.

Kind Regards,

Mo.

PS information that is correct one week can vastly alter within the next, making it hard to keep fully abreast of it all at times.


Quinolones, and especially ciprofloxacin, are linked clearly with acute renal failure. They should be
prescribed carefully to patients with impaired renal function. Quinolones can destroy some of the
microtubules of the kidney that filter the blood. Once again it seems that it is due to a vasculitic ischemia
(narrowing of the micro-vessels of the kidney) that induces a necrosis of critically important glomeruli and
tubuli in the kidney. This condition leads to progressive kidney failure, an end-stage condition that requires
either hemodyalisis or a transplant. The only symptom that causes a first stage kidney damage can be
foamy urine.

Quinolones are very toxic drugs for the liver, pancreas and kidneys. It is typical to have elevated liver and
pancreas enzymes counts for months or years after the treatment.


Baytril® is a broad-spectrum fluoroquinolone, available in an injectable solution (dogs only),tablet form, and convenient taste tabs. Enrofloxacin is not recommended for dogs and cats sensitive to the family of drugs known as quinolones. Product label:

Originally Posted by clive1973

Sorry I have not been online today, Mad Eye is a little better and I have got 60 ml of probotics down her via stomach tube. 2nd injection due tommorrow morning and more fluids hopefully.

Clive

Originally Posted by clive1973

Sorry I have not been online today, Mad Eye is a little better and I have got 60 ml of probotics down her via stomach tube. 2nd injection due tommorrow morning and more fluids hopefully.

Clive

Originally Posted by -EJ

What kind of dosage are you giving everyother day and how long are you going to administer it?

Ed

Originally Posted by Maureen Collinson

Hi Clive.

So pleased to hear a positive update on Mad Eye.

Do you have access to 'Reptoboost' Clive as that would be much better than just the probiotics, and it contains probiotics anyway, plus a huge energy boost for Mad Eye.

Mo.

REPTOBOOST is a probiotic combination of bacteria, enzymes, electrolytes and vitamins. Its high palatability means it can be added to the drinking water making its use simple for all species of reptiles. It is also ideal for use by stomach tube in rehydrating reptiles which have become dehydrated.

REPTOBOOST contains:
· Lactobacillus with Streptococcus faecium which live for a short time in the gut, helping to stabilise the pH.
· Yeasts to provide a source of amino acids and vitamins.
· lipase, amylase, protease and cellulase.
· electrolytes to aid in maintaining adequate levels in reptiles with diarrhoea which lose electrolytes
and maltodextrins for sustained energy
It is only necessary for probiotics to live a short time to establish the right conditions. By their combined action the ingredients of AVIPRO help to create and maintain slightly acidic conditions in the gut to provide the correct background for the reptiles own flora to re-stabilise.

The electrolytes and dextrose incorporated into REPTOBOOST also contribute in a major way.

A very important aspect is the use by the veterinary surgeon in reptiles which are under treatment with antibacterials where the normal flora may be unbalanced and a bloom of inappropriate bacteria may occur causing perhaps haemorrhagic enteritis.

For support of stressed reptiles use 4g (one scoop) per 100ml of drinking water.