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15-07-2008, 05:22 PM
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 . I'd happily chip in toa fund to pay for a lawyer but as Ed says petitions are next to useless. There is a group campaigning against the commercial tortoise trade over here - they've had a petition running for at least a year. I've heard of people signing twice & alot the names of are dare I say it 'funny'. They are wasting their time & I think this petition will go the same way. In any case why should the US government give a fig what I think about it? I'm not a US citizen.Last edited by gtm; 15-07-2008 at 05:28 PM.. 
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15-07-2008, 09:46 PM
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usless or not i signed
 save the tortsatleast we can say we tried
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15-07-2008, 09:50 PM
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Just out of curiosity... did you do any reading as to what this is about?????
Blind faith... an interesting concept. Ed Quote:
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15-07-2008, 09:54 PM
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yes my dear! dont mean to tread on your toes,
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15-07-2008, 10:00 PM
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Your not treading on my toes.
Do you really think I care about the army taking up a few acres? If you read the expansion report it is a small parcel of desert. They have spent a small fortune trying to be pollitically correct. I'll be willing to bet there is a good population of DTs in the actual area of practice. But... I don't know what I'm talking about. The point of the rant... there are many tortoise keepers who take up a cause without having a clue as to what it's about. Such and such said so... so it must be good. Think about it. Ed Quote:
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16-07-2008, 02:18 PM
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The signatures on that petition will be used to complement the lawsuit, the army has violated a state and federal law, and violated the endangered species act, the army, the fish and wildlife services, etc. are going to be sued. The center for biological diversity attempted to stop this, but the army went ahead and started re-locating them before it could get to federal court. Many tortoises have been attacked by coyotes and dogs and others have perished due to the harsh conditions. Many are attempting to make their way home (over 10 miles) and getting run over by off road vehicles and cars. The army insisted on doing this even though biologist tried to tell them how bad it was,we need to stop this to preserve those few (less than 30%) of wild desert tortoises left. These laws were set in place to protect these tortoises and their natural habitat for a reason, and not even the army should be allowed to just break such laws at the expense of these noble creatures lives. I say again, they did not get permission, you don’t get permission to break federal laws.... this is what i have found, theres no harm in trying is there?
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16-07-2008, 09:11 PM
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ne more for ne more
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