Showing off your pets... - Page 4

Henry-flash · #31 (**permalink**) 17-07-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by helen2

Hmmm....well I speak as I find...so until I have met someone I will not comment.

However as Off Topic as this is.......I have met Darren....face to face...and seen how his torts are kept. I was amazed.....his outdoor enclosures are beautiful/natural....he talks the hind leg off of you, cos he cares for them so much and he is a great guy. I have been on the recieving end of his generosity...

So heaven help me if I come across the people who reported him.....I wish people would stand up and counted.

As to Ed's original question....it depends...but as a rule of thumb guide I guess that if someone invited me I would have to give them the benefit of the doubt, both to motive and knowledge and I would neither report them or slag them off. I would report them if cruelty in the extreme was obvious...but not before discussing it and giving them a chance or offering to help. If it got to reporting them I would tell them first of my intentions....

I second this Helen, of the many times I've visited Darren never once have I seen these so called appaling conditions, wierd isn't it!

I think if we ever found out who is responsible for reporting him there would be a long queue of people wanting a 'word'.

I've never reported anyone, never really felt the need to. It would have to be really bad for me to go that far.

fantapants · #32 (**permalink**) 17-07-2008, 08:26 PM

slovenian torts ( and alot of other imports) tend to be intensively farmed or where cites certs arent required, wild caught. this means they often have parasites, have been fed salad instead of a varied diet and havent had the personal care that a hobbyist breeder would ( you hope) provide. so slovenians often need vets treatment for worms as a minimum. there is an ongoing debate about herpes in tortoisesbrought in from abroad. but the debate is still ongoing on that one.

-EJ · #33 (**permalink**) 17-07-2008, 08:27 PM

Absolutely nothing.

They should be treated as wild caught by taking them to a vet and having them treated for worms and protozoa but that's the only precaution.

They are ranched tortoises... free range and all that. Some believe they are wild caught... I don't believe they are.

Ed

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Originally Posted by Trillian

Hi, I'm a complete newbie here - no reptiles yet as I'm still in the research phase - but just wondering what's the problem with the Slovenian torts? Are they diseased or something? I'm not interested in getting a tortoise, I'm just curious about what's being discussed here. Ta.

Henry-flash · #34 (**permalink**) 17-07-2008, 09:18 PM

Just to add from my own experience regarding slovenian imports. I have 5 slovenians here and have never had a problem with them.

They have all been tested for internal parasites etc and all came back clear. Infact NONE of them have ever come back positive for worms, which is interesting as two older CB ibera I have are almost constantly infected.

fantapants · #35 (**permalink**) 17-07-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Henry-flash

Just to add from my own experience regarding slovenian imports. I have 5 slovenians here and have never had a problem with them.

They have all been tested for internal parasites etc and all came back clear. Infact NONE of them have ever come back positive for worms, which is interesting as two older CB ibera I have are almost constantly infected.

my very first torts were hermanns from slovenia, i loved to bits. they had worms, but once it was treated i didnt see it as a problem. we worm our dogss and cats after all! i only decided to sell my hermanns as i desperatley wanted to keep leos. they were lovely little torts though, full of personlaty and very nosey. they didnt seem to care they were slovenian either....

Trillian · #36 (**permalink**) 18-07-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tinkerbruce

slovenian torts ( and alot of other imports) tend to be intensively farmed or where cites certs arent required, wild caught. this means they often have parasites, have been fed salad instead of a varied diet and havent had the personal care that a hobbyist breeder would ( you hope) provide. so slovenians often need vets treatment for worms as a minimum. there is an ongoing debate about herpes in tortoisesbrought in from abroad. but the debate is still ongoing on that one.

Ah the poor things. Sort of like the intensive tropical fish farming that goes on in Singapore. A lot of inbreeding/cross breeding has seriously weakened a lot of species such as guppies.

-EJ · #37 (**permalink**) 18-07-2008, 12:18 AM

not quite the same thing...

These tortoises are kept in pens in environments that are similar to their native habitat.

There is really not enough time for inbreeding.

The disease that is advertised... most likely exagerated.

The animals are as good as any other you might come across.

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Originally Posted by Trillian

Ah the poor things. Sort of like the intensive tropical fish farming that goes on in Singapore. A lot of inbreeding/cross breeding has seriously weakened a lot of species such as guppies.

Andy n Claire · #38 (**permalink**) 18-07-2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Trillian

Ah the poor things. Sort of like the intensive tropical fish farming that goes on in Singapore. A lot of inbreeding/cross breeding has seriously weakened a lot of species such as guppies.

guppies are gr8 they are pretty bread with endler guppie, colours are amazing,tropical fish do it with ne thing ne breed of fish.i have had gippies going for it with mollys,errr.

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