Originally Posted by Andy n Claire

i personaly dont like the t-rex diet have tried it with my hermans when i had them it smelt like dog food as you have to moisten it going off the lable.also i prefer the weeds as they are fresher and not have colouring in them theese pellets are multi coloured, thats my reasons,as for no uv i think its crap no diet changed what uv the tort recives, through the shell.
supplements are fine,just use a small sprinkle on food just dust food as you would salt on ur own food,but with moderation of corse

theese are my opinions and views,

claire

Originally Posted by -EJ

The most recent was a post on some 2 and 3 year old Leopards that I hatched out and have raised on this diet with absolutely no UVB and no added supplements...

Ed

Originally Posted by Tina

Don't yours ever go outside then?

Originally Posted by -EJ

The largest one of the 5 that I have is just under 2 inches SCL...

In any case... there is absolutely no reason to put them outdoors. Eventually... as they grow they will be placed outdoors... weather permitting.

This is a reletively new idea... I've only been using these diets for a little over 8 years. As I learn more I realize how many tortoises it can actually help when I consider the complex nature of nutrition in general.

Why risk the health of a tortoise providing a 'natural' diet by which you are guessing that all the necessary components are present when you can provide a 'natural' diet that has been formulated by an animal nutritionist to be certain all the necessary components are present...

Ed

Originally Posted by Andy n Claire

not being funny ed but you rant about people giving out incorrect info yet what ever views any of us have they are allways wrong with you.no one but you is correct in anything,personally i think its crule not leting ur tort/s go outside,i dont care how long you have been a keeper you may know more things than others but every one is to learne some ware,
t-rex i just dont like i prefer to see their intake of weeds rather than dry crap.i dont have a clue whats been supressed into the pellets and i know what they are eating and how often
obviousley its been aproved by by an animal nutritionist,BUT
personally i would prefer fresh weeds daily than this,
its like feeding a baby a bottle rather than the breast.
its like eating pot noodle and not fresh vege,
do you get my point,
people prefer weeds were in their natural habitat do they eat dry pellets?
and uv torts dont need uv if they live outdoors 24/7 but indoors they do.why else would vets recomend it? there has obviousley been astuddy into this "just like there had the T-REX DIET"
hibernation you also disagree with dont you? i think you have said this b4 ,
i think you said somthing like they dont need hibernating as we provide the food and the heat,(a few posts ago) i PERSONALLY will be hibernating because if i dont hibernate i feel whats the point,meaning diet uv calcium suppliment,
i mean we try get the life style of the tort as close as we would in their natural habitat YES! things are a little difrent now to being in the mediteranian or were ever the tort comes from but we try to get as close as we can by providing the uv feeding fresh weeds providing water although torts can go a extremely long time without both water and food, then hibernating like they would when the weeds and food disapear,it makes sence to hibernate in winter the growth of food is short and take for ever to come through.if growing seeds indoors they grow to fast and have thin stalks thats probably just me ther LOL,
without this lot we may as well just leave torts outside like they were years ago and let them eat what they like feed them what ever they will eat,

another subject. VIV'S (i dont like them) i prefer tables i can controll temps better and provide my own level of humidity,
i have has torts from vivs in the past i had 3 hermans their shells wernt the best but they had been fed kale and iceberg without calcuim, in high temps,i blame their shell for the way they were kept,

another tort my latest horsfield she was in a viv from hatchling she is 7 and was fed cooked veg like cauli brocoli fed cabbage.from left over dinners. peppers lettuce carrot cumber tomato butternut,
had uv and calcium supliments and her shell is amazing,

another tort TANK he was kept in a galss fishtank with extreme hot temps again he was lathargis when i got him he didnt do a thing he had a worm burden,he was fed lots of cucumber and lettuce dont think he had many weeds, he wasnt handles hated to be touched now he thrives and i give him a diet of weed if i have to i top up with florette lettuce mix use calcium supliment nutrabol and claypso cricket dust ( not together) i provide uv also like every keeper i provide water for all my torts maybe once a month he gets a slice of cucumber as this is his favourat,it took some time to worm him and wean him off cucumber it was hard yet rewarding to know i am doing somthing right!

squirt he come to me he was about 1 year old he was tiney his shell was awfull i know for a fact he was a import when i got him i knew nothing i seeked help from 3 difrent vets and people on here and thats were i learnt from, i use calcuim and uv and feed weed .he come with a shell that looked like he had been draged down a road for about 10 miles on his back its real bad,with the same diet i feed tank i feed squirt and tinkerbell and they are all thriving, he is growing puting on weight his shells looking a little better were he is growing im hoping with me giving him the corect care i think is correct he will improve in years to come

all i said was i didnt like T-REX and they should have uv
you know the full background of my torts now and the way i care for them if you or any one else would like to pick faults or point out to me what i am doing wrong or ways i can imporve and help them out more please feel free to elaborate,

this is somthing that we are going to have to agree to disagree with i think.but just remember you maybe a keeper of like a million years but we all atart some wear we migh talk crap but even the "experianced keeper tanks crap now and again"

sorry to have caused such disruption in this thread this is my opinion and i am not affraid to express it,sometimes some things have to be said,and i felt i had to say this thanks for your time

claire

Originally Posted by Vicky12

Yay Claire "Rocks"

You go girl.

Have to agree with you on the pellets....They are crap and the biggest waste of money ever...No one will change my mind on them either. They stink when you soak them too. At least weeds and veggies smell nice.

Originally Posted by Andy n Claire

not being funny ed but you rant about people giving out incorrect info yet what ever views any of us have they are allways wrong with you...
claire

Originally Posted by -EJ

Agreeing to disagree is fine if you have the strength to respect another persons opinion... that's what keeps it civil... IMHO.

Ed