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20-09-2008, 08:24 PM
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so basicaly this is basicaly replicating a genetic trait - that long turm may cause issues with the torts heath? i agree long turm problems for future keppers and an expensive
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20-09-2008, 08:50 PM
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What I'm trying to say is there is that IMO nothing wrong with selective breeding for desirable traits provided you don't produce sick animals
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20-09-2008, 09:06 PM
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i breed bearded dragons, and this year have added quite a few deifferent colours to my breeding stock. i will also be involved in breeding royal my python morphs this coming season. i see no problem with royal morphs, or bearded colour morphs, providing they are healthy. if a tortoise is an albino/ivory then my main concern would be the effect that the sun would have on their skin. as torts can see uvb light i feel its wrong to deny them uv light, and in turn , part of their colour spectrum.
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20-09-2008, 09:27 PM
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and its a big but..... how will you know the offspring will be healthy or the offspring of the offspring will be healthy , i guess it must be one hell of a dilemma when breeding colour morphs to know exactly which pairs to use so as not to breed them too well related. sadly tho not every breeder takes this sort of care and will mate very closely related snakes/lizards to get a particular colour, resulting in some gronks along the way, you cant guarentee that they will be born healthy and without physical or neurological problems. there was a time when colour morphs were rare and worth lots of money but now, through the constant inbreeding they are common place and nothing spectacular. it wont be long till the ivory tortoise for example is so common you,ll see them for sale in your local garden centre for a couple of hundred quid rather than the thousands they are now worth......selectivly and conservativly bred would keep them healthy and keep their value and rarity.
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20-09-2008, 11:11 PM
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well i choose y breeding stock with great care. I have a pair of blood red dragons, one uk bred and one american, so i am confident they are not related at all. the others i have sourced from all over the country. My purple tiger stripe dragon was bought in st helens and my two adult females were taken in a rehomers. I also have a sandfire dragon from america, again unrelated. BUT in royal python breeding, i know its not unusual for a new morph to be bred back to its parent/sibling to prove the geneitc trait or to get a "super" version alot quicker. And there are some terrible stories of spider royals with neuro problems that bad, they cant hold their head straight. And somebody mentioned the whole enigma neuro problems in geckos. And then there are the bulldogs thatcant give birth naturally. all of these things are problems that man has made.
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20-09-2008, 11:21 PM
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if only the other breeders were as wise as you then perhaps we wouldnt have the probs with the poor beasties that we have . good luck with the breeding project. i applaud you.......i used to breed french lop rabbits but its expected to inbreed , for size and ear shape , and that goes against the grain for me, after all ide hate to breed with my sister or mother, or a cousin for that matter. would you ? the dog breeding buissness has truly gotten out of hand.
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20-09-2008, 11:36 PM
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The difference with greyhound breeding is that they are bred for speed and not for beauty, therefore if one turns up that is a bit straight in the stifle or short in the neck it is not put aside as a bad breeder so long as it still runs fast. Why do you feed it a special diet? That is only necessary when racing and wearing of coats while exercising only discourages coat growth 
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21-09-2008, 07:48 AM
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21-09-2008, 10:02 AM
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It all depends on what you are looking for. There are many keepers who incubate for only female... this is kind of the same thing.
Look at all the different morphs of reptiles. Let's not look at the morphs... lets look at the breeder who is trying to breed 'pure' by never inbreeding... this is totally unnatural. If you want to take it to an extreme you might run into problems but constantly outcrossing is just as bad as constantly inbreeding. Again... what is wrong with pet morphs? If you don't like it... you have the choice not to participate. Quote:
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21-09-2008, 10:08 AM
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Those with a strong personal opinion regarding someones actions that does not concern them usually take that route.
The only alarms that keepers should take notice of are those given off by people who either don't quite understand or but those who understand enough to feed misinformation to raise those alarms. Quote:
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