Tortoise Trust Web - Understanding Vivarium Substrates

This link is about alfalfa pellets on the TT site, the rest of the info I got from my TT notes.

Anyone can write a book on tortoises........you could and as long as there was a publisher willing to put it in print, it could be sitting on the shelves in a few months........doesn't mean the info in it is correct though does it?

I have a tortoise book which says the life span of a hermann is 20 years maximum......as its 150yrs + I'd say the book wasn't worth the paper it was written on, would you?

I feel your 'objection' to taking any advice from the TT site is purely down to the fact that they refused to re-home a tortoise to you, and sadly after reading some of your advice, its understandable.

Im no expert, and im not 'too big for my boots' Im just getting pee'd off with your blase attitude and bad abvice and feel a little homework from a 'good site' would help you enourmously.

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Phoebe

Keeping: Hermanns and Whitei's

couldnt give a damn bout all that...
id rather have a healthy tort than an infected WC one anyday lol
(Ed Pirog told me that he did a bit of research and they were unhealthy or something, tams should know who Ed is)

For one there is no hermanns care sheet on the TT website lol it also doesnt say anything about alfalfa on the leopard care sheet

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ANDY B 1

Taken the place of Tops in his absence
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What ive got0.1.0 '07 Amel corn snake2.1.0 Hermanns Tortoises2.3.0 Cats0.1.0 Guinea pigs

How did Ed (who is in the USA) get to research a tortoise that was never in his possession??

I am fully aware of who Ed is and as Phoebe says - anyone can write a book! Sadly he is another that gives out poor advise - recommends vivs, pellets, non hibernation, mixing species & 1:1 ratios - so quite frankly I do not pay much attention to what he has to say.

Andrew, please do some valuable research and it will save others a lot of time having to jump on threads to correct information you give out.

Tamie

Hermanns are med tortoises !! There is endless info on med tortoises on the TT site, the fact you can't be bothered to read it is your call.

YOU have TWO wc torts so I have no idea where you are coming from with that comment !! So, you wanted to adopt a healthy captive bred tortoise from the TT?? You didn't want the 'hassle' of a wc leo, so why did you bother applying then???

The Leopard care sheet tells you the recommended food for them....if it doesn't mention alfalfa, then it isn't a recommended food is it !!

So where did Ed Pirog do his 'research' on these tortoises then??? From Atlanta USA where he lives???
The only reason some were poorly was because of the disgusting way they were caught...........wire traps which damaged their shells, limbs and mouths......and out of over 140 that were seized, only ONE has died.
I don't need to ask Tams about Ed Pirog, unfortunately I know him too.

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Phoebe

Keeping: Hermanns and Whitei's

they are CB!
it would say wild caught on licence but it says CB germany on matrix's and dom came from the same please....brilliant shop by the way so if one was CB then its probably likely that both are CB

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ANDY B 1

Taken the place of Tops in his absence
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What ive got0.1.0 '07 Amel corn snake2.1.0 Hermanns Tortoises2.3.0 Cats0.1.0 Guinea pigs

Do you NEVER listen or read any posts ??????? AAARRRGGGHH

It WONT say wc on the licence !!! If its was born in Germany it CANT POSSIBLY be a UK tortoise can it ?? You have no idea where Dom came from as you have NO certificate !!! Just because it came from the same disgusting pet shop doesnt mean they were born in the same place !!

Your tortoises are NOT UK captive breds........they are imports from Wiltons, how many times do people have to tell you this before you understand???

And, please, tell me what research Ed Pirog has done on the Heathrow Leopards ???

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Phoebe

Keeping: Hermanns and Whitei's

there is a wild caught box on the cert and captive bred is ticked so not wc is it?

ed just said some of the hethrow torotises had died and they wernt healthy...not that polite though lol

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ANDY B 1

Taken the place of Tops in his absence
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What ive got0.1.0 '07 Amel corn snake2.1.0 Hermanns Tortoises2.3.0 Cats0.1.0 Guinea pigs

hey every1 chill. its not andy's fault he thought they were ok to have alfalfa. he did his research internet, books etc and yeah i agree ya shouldnt give torts alfalfa i give that to my rabb every now and then as a treaty. BUT! ya cant all have a go at andy for sayin its ok for them. its the websites and the books fault. any unsuspecting tort keeper who loves their torts would think it was a nice treat for them if they have read its good for them in several places. the end o the day andy thought he was helpin he didnt realise the info he was givin was false end of. there is no need to all start on him. just state its wrong tell, why it wrong and thats it. this is a great forum where ppl come to swap info on pets and get help from every1 poss as to how to look after them best. i love that i can come here and get every1's opinion on whats best for my babies. i know what andy said was wrong but he made a mistake he believed what the internet and books told him. im sure we all done it at some point have made some mistakes ad then been corrected by the cool ppl on here and have gone on2 have happy healthy pets. plz lets not all start fightin again

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one hubby for sale no papers just ya regular bransholme mongrel.
any offers???????

Well Ed is wrong.......one died, fact. So Ed didnt actually do any research on them at all did he.

If your tort came from Germany, its a wc .......... ask yourself why anyone would export a tortoise from Germany to be sold in the UK......people in Germany keep tortoises too you know. Germany is a common stop off for dealers......and as we know, CITIES certs from pet shops aren't worth the paper they are written on......and you don't have one for Domino so how do you know where it came from??

It is Andy continual bad information that winds me up and eventually I get annoyed........plus when he gives out bad info he never says sorry, in fact he usually finds it quite funny......sadly I don't I find it frustrating after a while. I, and several other members, have tried to encourage him to read the TT site and do the course to help him understand his tortoises better and help him become more knowledgeable, but he refuses.

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Phoebe

Keeping: Hermanns and Whitei's

thanks kerri!!
when lots of websites and books have been saying alfalfa is right its hard to know what is ok for torts

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ANDY B 1

Taken the place of Tops in his absence
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What ive got0.1.0 '07 Amel corn snake2.1.0 Hermanns Tortoises2.3.0 Cats0.1.0 Guinea pigs