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That is exactly the case - this sort of sales techique is actually illegal. Take no notice of the sales pitch! It's just to ease the conscience, I'm sure it is there somewhere. 
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29-10-2007, 05:38 PM
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It pains me that arguments like this seem to be creating a them and us situation in tortoise keeping. I have been a tortoise keeper privately for 30 years and a private breeder for around 15 years, but because I'm a "dealer" as well it appears I'm not worth listening too. Weird really when due to the amount of tortoises and their keepers I deal with on a daily basis being a "dealer" I gain more of an insight than many other keepers.
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29-10-2007, 05:39 PM
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50% Dog Meat? I dont know what the other 50% is I imagine its all the other elements that make up a plant and some moisture? perhaps someone more well versed in nutritional analysis can let us know why the percentages on the side of my weetabix never add up?
This type of sales technique is not illegal, only in consumer transactions. Thats to say if you walked in a shop if product A was advertised for a quid it would be illegal to then say you can only buy product A if you buy 10 of product B for a tenner. If it was worded as "Buy product A for only £1 when purchased with 10 product B's" then that would be ok. But in Business 2 Business transcations if Business X signs a contract saying they will take 2% product A for every 98% Product B then that is the deal.
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29-10-2007, 06:31 PM
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[quote=v-max;942715]wild Hermanns eat lots of fallen fruit at certain times of the year, quote]
This is not really true as there is not a lot fruit available in the hermanns natural habitat that is not eaten my birds and fast moving animals before the tortoise has a chance. You may have lots of experience of dealers but I would suggest you study torts in the wild before making statements such as this 
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29-10-2007, 06:44 PM
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Perhaps I should post some of the thousands of pictures of wild tortoises I have studied, world wide? For the last twenty years? Perhaps, if I dig far enough into my slide library I can dig out the pictures in the wild of tortoises being used as Landfill on the island of Kos - just after the CITES regulations made tortoises have no monetary value in Greece? I can certainly dig out plenty showing them eating fallen fruit in the various orchids around eastern Europe. What about the study I did on Gopher tortoises in the States? Is that enough fieldwork for you? Perhaps the fieldwork done with other fellow herpetologists around the world might be enough? In India, or Africa? I have studied more tortoises than you have even caused arguments on these forums - and thats a lot - believe me. Can you enlighten us to the field work you have done to prove your claims? You are too keen to judge and make assumptions. Dealer, if you want, yes. Herpetologist, first and always will be - I'm proud of that. Private breeder, yes. Instant expert? I'll leave that to others.
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29-10-2007, 06:55 PM
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Another good example of why no one likes the tortoise section on this forum... perhaps you would all be happier if poor Kev gives up on tortoises altogether to allow you to reign supreme as legends in your own lunch hour
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29-10-2007, 06:57 PM
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Its only because you own a shop mate. All shop keepers don't no anything according to the tortoise people on the forum.
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29-10-2007, 06:58 PM
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Just a thought, have alook at
Field Trips and Safaris There is the odd picture of tortoise fieldwork there.................... I guess not many "dealers" would also be visiting the Galapagos next year to meat up with naturlists to study out there - booked and sorted for April next year. Going to Greece (again), to study hibernation sites in two weeks. Going to Equador in 2008 also, again to meet up with other like minded people like myself to study various species (admitedly not chelonia, but I'll see plenty anyway). Hey, but what does all that matter, I'm just a dealer. A dealer that has probably forgot more than some of the so called instant experts out there. Sorry to rant, these people have touched a real sore nerve!!!!! 
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29-10-2007, 07:00 PM
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