My leopards have always been close to my heart. They have also been the most problematic tortoise I've ever kept from day one... 1978. I have not kept them all that time because before I left NY I got rid of those... 2 females, no male but I quickly got some in TX which I recently lost. Those are the ones I had 23 years... anyway...
This was the only offspring I personally raised to adult. Someone was nice enough to point out that she is grossly pyramided... I think she is... but not grossly. She's taught me a great deal over the years... roughly 17 years. It was the last tortoise that was produced for me in Texas which is why I think I kept her.

This is a shot of what I call my learning curve. You'll notice that the slope gradually decreases and the most recent part is the flattest. That's always made me wonder especially when I'm always saying that diet has little to do with shell shape but you do have to understand that I changed other things like adding outdoor heat and keeping her outdoors 24/7.

I finally get to the final phase of my use of this diet... using it exclusively on the tortoises I keep indoors. Up until now it was about 2/3 of their diet but time constraints took over and the produce section at Walmart here in Georgia is not much different than the best produce section you can find in the UK... not real good. This forced me into a situation which I probably would have fallen into regardless.

There are 2 sets of tortoises I thought I'd try this on... some leopards... the first hatched here in Georgia and some Stars which I've had terrible luck with... until now. I did also tried this with the only Spider I hatched out. In fact it was the Spider that gave me the idea. I'd been feeding her the diet almost exclusively from day one from the start and this is the current result...


Until now the diet was fed moistened. The diet is a pelleted diet and dry so it was impossible for the smaller tortoises to eat so it was moistened which they would readily eat. The problem here is that it was messy and would go bad if left for to long so it had to be removed once the tortoises were finished. Also, the tortoises would sometimes have to be cleaned because they seem to like walking through it as much as they liked eating it. My solution to this was to run it through a grinder and feed it dry ad lib. I fill the dish daily with as much as I thin their little tummies will hold for one day.


I am amazed at the current results. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop but I'm putting a good deal of trust in that the manufacturers know what they are doing. First is the leopards. I've only been doing this for about 2 months. Also note the tortoises are kept hot. They have basking sites of over 100F which they use. This is the Leopards.

The above girl was growing so slowly. I think she is about 3 years old. The new growth is obvious. She is displaying that abnormality I mentioned earlier but it is starting to show growth.

Here is one of the last Leopards I hatched. One of my Third generation babies...


Finally, the tortoises that have given me the most joy in the last 2 months with what I've been doing. They are also the ones responsible for the most questions... my Stars. I started with 12 confiscated imports and slowly lost them one by one. I lost 2 after the move to Georgia and it really bummed me out. I figured I can't do any worse so what the heck... I am blown away with the results. They were 2 inches when I got them. The largest is now about 3+ inches.

This is the largest.

This is the smallest which did not show any growth in almost 2 years. You can see the new growth after 2 months... unreal. These guys weigh a ton also.


There are 2 important points I'd like to note. The first is that the thing that killed most if not all the Stars is dehydration/urates/stones. I'm convinced it was from a green diet. With this diet the salts are minimal and they hardly pass any urates at all.

The other point is that on this diet they are inclined to drink a great deal. This applies to all the tortoises.

I've been wanting to do this post for a while because it might give a little insight into my point of view on this topic which I feel pretty strongly about.

Nutrition is a very controversial topic regardless of animal or people and I'll bet it will be as much in years to come.

This is intended to be a note and nothing more.

good read that thanks for sharing well impressed with the pics

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Thank you for sharing so much information with us. It's good for us all to read of other methods being used and why they are being used. Hopefully everyone will be able to keep an open mind and remember that you're not advocating everyone does it you way, you're just sharing information. Super pictures too, those Stars are gorgeous.

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No matter how many times i see this thread (its been a few lol), i still find it interesting and love the pictures.
Even if i personally can't get my head around using it myself, i guess it is an interesting topic and always good to see other methods that are used

That's the point... I'm excited about this diet because I know what's involved in tortoise nutrition. Not too long ago... before the internet... there was there was little information on reptiles in general. In the last 20 years this hobby has taken off and has become serious mainstream... check out all the commercials with herps and most of those are turtles and tortoises.

It was a serious job to keep these thing alive let alone thriving. You watch the survival rate of these animals in the future with the technology and the understanding of these animals. Collecting weeds can be part of the fun of this hobby but when you have a large collection it becomes very difficult. My point is why do it if you don't have to.

I don't like crossposting but it seemed that many here had good questions and don't go to many of the other sites... for some reason.

And thank all of you for the kind comments.

Nothing wrong with crossposting it, its your thread...............just messing with ya!!!!

~ for Ed ~

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I must admit I do find your results very interesting.

However, I won't be adopting your diet for my tortoises, Basically, to me, it feels like I'm going against what is natural to them. I disagree with this, and therefroe I'm not going to start feeding my tortoises this anytime soon.

I don't understand why you are agreeing with it it if you have seen the abnormal growth of your leopard?!

Obviously I'm not going to convert you any time soon, I'm just giving you my point of view.

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That same 'abnormality' exists even if a natural diet is fed. It is also not consistent. I guess an anomaly would be a better word.

Why I'm happy with the diet is because of the overall results as compared to what I can provide with a green diet.