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I'm no tortoise expert, but my understanding is that the plastron on the male becomes concave to facilitate an easier mating.
As far as the Article 10 paperwork is concerned, I do think this is now mandatory for all tortoises in the UK. If you haven't got any paperwork then my understanding is that you should be applying for it, but you will have to provide evidence that they were captive bred and not imported. Also you will have to have paperwork for any ones you've bred yourself before you can sell them. Someone else on here can enlighten you further, but that's definitely my understanding with protected species.
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20-02-2008, 09:16 PM
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Whats That And Were Do I Find Them?
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20-02-2008, 09:18 PM
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20-02-2008, 09:19 PM
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Have a look at this website CITES LEGISLATION
It explains which species need this paperwork. I know because I work at a wildlife sanctuary and we have 3 45 year old tortoises which have no paperwork and we've just had to apply for their Article 10 Certificates, because of the new legislation.
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20-02-2008, 09:19 PM
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OK THEN THESE WERE GIVEN TO ME FOR A VALENTINE PRESENT FROM MY PARTNER WHOM GOT THEM OF A FRIEND WHO HAS MOVED TO SPAIN,I DONT KNOW WERE TO CONTACT THEM SO HOW WOULD I GET THE INFO? MY PARTNER DIDNT KNOW WHAT BREED THEY WERE THEY WERE FREE AND I LOVE TORTS SO I NOW OWN THEM,
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20-02-2008, 09:22 PM
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20-02-2008, 09:23 PM
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I think you need to speak to someone who has studied the legislation more than I have, because I think you may be on a 'sticky wicket' if you can't prove that these tortoises were captive bred.
TSKA Rory Matier should be able to advise you on this as he knows a lot more about it than I do!
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20-02-2008, 09:26 PM
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Oh Gr8 Thanks
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20-02-2008, 11:04 PM
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Without the torts history/background, in the form of signed documentation/A letter from the previous owners, it is doubtful that Defra will issue you with paperwork for these torts
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20-02-2008, 11:14 PM
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o dear and what if i dont get the paper work what will happen can i still get them treated by a vet without it and obviousley i will not be able to keep them wot do i do with them surely if i took them to the rspca theyd rehome them what will happen to them,i realy dont want to loose them i have become attatched
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