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No offence intended in the people who support the fact that they believe pellets to be wrong.. But if a number of people say for example, that walking down the street will get you killed, and post a number of pictures of people dead on the pavement or in the road, without explaining how, or why the person got killed, other than just because they were on the street, would you refuse to go on the street? Because in my opinion it's a similar way of thinking that people like drummerkid is going by
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in regards to have you tested the 1-3 hours uv exposure a week theory. I can honestly say no i havent.
We as reptile keepers not just chelonians, know the damage a low calcium diet can cause. Limiting the amount of d3 for calcium absorption means they take in less calcium..and tbh, would i test and treat my animals like lab rats...no way. I know they're healthy with their 12 hours of uv access daily..they have areas they can escape it if htey see fit..but i'm sorry i for one won't gamble with my torts health on a whim. If this were a bearded dragon being discussed in lizards people would be up in arms about the risks of MBD...the risks with torts are just as severe. Now you could say yes but they will get suppliments..now most of us will use suppliments as well as their diet..but ed has said before he just uses the formulated diets..so 1-3 hours uv exposure a week and no suppliments..i aint gonna say his torts will die they may well be very healthy. its just a huge risk i aint prepared to take with my animals. please note i've not read the last 9 pages.so if i'm just repeating stuff i'm sorry, also my post isn't meant to offend anyone and is strictly based on my opinion.
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The way i treat my animals is 'what would happen in the wild'.
In the wild they would have access to uv for the majority of the day..yes you can argue at peak times in the day..midday heat they retreat to shaded areas...but uv can still penetrate these areas. So to me giving them 1-3hours uv a week is completely bizarre. As in the wild they would get much much more than this. Also sun levels are higher than uv lamps we can provide on the whole anyways (generalising as people from all over the world keep torts n read forums like this). My torts seem to respond in a positive way to the uvb. this might sound bizarre but when i switched from a 10.0uvb tube to the powersun and t-rex combined bulbs..the change was tremendous considering all i'd done seemingly was change a bulb. Yet they seem much healthier for it,much more active...and these bulbs have higher uvb levels than the strips. Seeing that, I dont want to withold how much uvb my animals get, as i know what a difference it seemed to make to them. Yes it's okay sayin test the theories before any harm comes to the animal.but torts are renowned for hiding illnesses for a long time, and internal problems. Sorry to say, maybe i'm to soft, but i just aint prepared to take that risk with their health. ps how u feeling today hun?
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ps. feeling like crap, blood dripping out of my left nostrel, both nostrels have massive hard bits of blood. the top teeth are aching probably due to the operation, i'm fighting the urge to pick at the dried blood in my nostrel, but not allowed to :P yourself?
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oh that sounds simply.....grusome tbh hun
 bet your rather fed up.Another problem i'd have with conclusive tests. you'd need multiple subjects, so say 10-20 tortoises of the same species, age and approximate size to start with.. then you'd have to give each group the same conditions bar one to see the effect it would have. so group A1, fed weeds,given uvb for 12 hours a day and suppliments. group A2 fed pellets,given uvb for 12 hours a day and suppliments. group A3 fed weeds given uvb for 12 hours a day..not given suppliments. group a4 fed pellets,given uvb for 12 hours a day, not given suppliments that make any sense? basically you can't change more than one factor at a time to make it a fair test. and you'd need about 10-20 subjects per mini group, to take averages if you will..so the task is a mammoth one at that. anyways i'm rambling lack of sleep n freezing cold getting to me. why the hell do boilers break in winter..never in summer when u can do without  
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