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The cause not necessarily being the amount of protein given, but getting the correct balance between protein intake, vitamin D and calcium. I believe that if you are feeding a higher protein food then this should be balanced with extra high doses of calcium and enough vitamin D to allow the animal to metabolise this extra calcium. Personally, if I am just feeding the standard weed diet, then my Tortoises will accept a light dusting of calcium, however should I feel the need to feed something with a higher protein content, such as bamboo shoots, for instance, I have found that they will eat them even if dampened and completely saturated with calcium. I'm not suggesting that the Tortoise is compensating for the amount of protein, just that because the high protein foods are more obviously tastier they will accept large amounts of calcium. My point, therefore, is if you balance the other essential components of their diet then higher protein foods should not necessarily cause pyramiding. This is only my view but it makes sense to me, although I could be completely off the mark. |
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You are right that there is no one factor that is the cause but I have no doubt that heat is the primary factor and the rest of the list follows. I once posted a nice example of the growth rate in my leopards but the list owner thought it was a frivolous post and buried it in the show off photo section... really pissed me off.(personal problem... sorry) I'll put it back together and post it here to demonstrate my point. |
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Yes - i dont mean shape = growth rate but I do think rate of growth coupled with the other variables - especially diet - when immature - must be a cause. In humans (bad example I know) the skeleton is softer when younger and I thought it was common knowledge that a bad diet leads to poorer bone growth (ie. ricketts).
Take a look at 'Woody's latest pic. He was a lot worse (more bumpy) a year ago but you can still see the 'crease' as I call it and the raised scutes over both shoulders. i thought this may be because he needed to rapidly develop his front legs upper torso for swimming. (he shedded all his scutes in about 3 weeks after I got him). Hopefully over time this will get less obvious. Luckily he does not seem to too affected by his bad upbringing. ![]()
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That depends on the individual animal and it's experience. They surely have to develop at the 'right' rate. Too slow or too fast is less likely to happen in the wild or maybe they die earlier so we never see the 'result'?
Growth is a 'result' of all the causes?
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What is the 'right rate'? That is definately a human concept. Chelonians in the colder part of their range develope at a slower rate than those of the same species in the warmer part of their range. What's more is that chelonians develope faster during warmer and wetter seasons as evident by irregular growth ring patterns. Growth rate is a direct function of metabolic rate which is not predetermined (for the most part) in reptiles. It is determined by environmental conditions... which... are not consistant. They vary by geographic location and they vary season to season (more so now than ever)(in our lifetime) |
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In simple terms - so you can understand (bad joke) - I think I 'm saying time & age is another variable to consider & a very important one too.
Before you know it we'll all have alarm clocks going beside the heat & lights. ![]()
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I care for:1.0.0 Red Eared Slider (Trachemys scripta elegans)- 10/11 yrs old 0.0.2 Leopard-Spotted Catfish (Synodontis eupterus) -5/6 yrs old 0.0.1 Red Tailed Shark (Epalzeorhynchus bicolor) - 7 yrs old 2.1.0 Moggies - various ages "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated." - Mahatma Ghandi |
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