aggressive royal - Page 5

wolfbane · #41 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pied pythons

yes, hormones will play a part in snake breeding...but unlike humans, they don't choose a mate as such, as in they don't mate with only the snake they think is sexy or has a nice pattern, or shiny skin etc...they mate due to stimuli in the environment and pheromones (sp.) in order to pass their genes on to the next generation... and unlike humans they do not feel love. It is merely sex to continue their race and pass their genes on, and is stimulated by the environment, and hormones...unlike humans who (mostly!) have children because they want to...and even if it is an accidental pregnancy in humans, they had sex because they wanted to, because we enjoy it.

I'm not saying animals dont enjoy sex, but it's not the reason they do it. There is no emotional reason behind breeding.

but don't we in many ways? yes we may chose to 'mate' more often but we a reproductve all year round. hasn't scientific study to some extent unravelled the reasons why indidually we chose mates that are in many respects 'ideal' such as wide hips ect. media in many ways has made us vere..sp? rom our natural instincts when chosing a mate

wolfbane · #42 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008, 12:07 PM

[quote=Ssthisto;1761504]I think the key word there is "human" emotion.

agreed, sorry meant to write as in previous thread 'human like emtions'

AshMashMash · #43 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pied pythons

yes, hormones will play a part in snake breeding...but unlike humans, they don't choose a mate as such, as in they don't mate with only the snake they think is sexy or has a nice pattern, or shiny skin etc...they mate due to stimuli in the environment and pheromones (sp.) in order to pass their genes on to the next generation... and unlike humans they do not feel love. It is merely sex to continue their race and pass their genes on, and is stimulated by the environment, and hormones...unlike humans who (mostly!) have children because they want to...and even if it is an accidental pregnancy in humans, they had sex because they wanted to, because we enjoy it.

I'm not saying animals dont enjoy sex, but it's not the reason they do it. There is no emotional reason behind breeding.

Well, the point I was more getting at was that neither us nore snakes feel 'emotions', per se, but are just expressing what hormones and other intnernal influences tell us to do. They are of course more complex in humans than snakes, but they are basically the same: they say "go and have sex as many times as you can", as this way we can spread our genes best. Only with us, they also say "and stay with the spouse and children, to increase the survival of the offspring", and so with have hormones that makes us feel 'love'. Snakes dont need that, like you say, and so dont feel 'love' or want to stay monogamous.

Ssthisto · #44 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AshMashMash

Well, the point I was more getting at was that neither us nore snakes feel 'emotions', per se, but are just expressing what hormones and other intnernal influences tell us to do. They are of course more complex in humans than snakes, but they are basically the same: they say "go and have sex as many times as you can", as this way we can spread our genes best. Only with us, they also say "and stay with the spouse and children, to increase the survival of the offspring", and so with have hormones that makes us feel 'love'. Snakes dont need that, like you say, and so dont feel 'love' or want to stay monogamous.

Our emotions and instincts don't even tell us we should stay with our partners - males and females both have a vested interest in mating outside the pair bond.

The more males in a social species that think they're POSSIBLY the father of your offspring, the more likely you are to get parental care from all of those involved males (and the less likely they are to kill the offspring of other males) ... and males can spread their genes as widely as possible across multiple females.

Hormonal and electrical responses in the brain cause the outward effects we call "emotion" - and they do it in ALL species

wolfbane · #45 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ssthisto

Hormonal and electrical responses in the brain cause the outward effects we call "emotion" - and they do it in ALL species

to be fair we do big ourselves up a bit. thinking ourselves better than the rest of the animal kingdom.

IMO what sets us apart from animals has less to do with us being so great and more to do with our unsatisfyable curiosity which is fuelled more by that fact that this curiousty has given us the means to technolgy which results in us having no natural predators. basically we love playing god while other animals couldn't really give a

Ssthisto · #46 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008, 12:25 PM

Absolutely. We're the storytelling ape.... we can lie not only to others, but to ourselves.

wolfbane · #47 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyB

does anyone have any tips on calming down an extremely agressive royal prior to handling?

I recently aquired an adult female royal and she is nasty. The guy i got her from got her as a CF Baby and has kept her for breeding purposes in a rack with no interaction at all apart from feeding times. as a result she is a total nut case when people go near.

sorry m8, gone way off the subject. IMHO opinion with this particular case i wouldn't push it two much. this is an adult. well established snake. its not worth overdoing it. by all means give it a try but if its just not working don't sacrfice a great feeding royal who simply doesn't want to 'play the game'

i enjoy handling my snakes, and most of thm enjoy being being handled. but the couple that don't i just leave well alone, lol, i've got enough of them for it not to bug me if i can't handle the odd one or two.

wolfbane · #48 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ssthisto

Absolutely. We're the storytelling ape.... we can lie not only to others, but to ourselves.

an we're darn good at it

evilangel · #49 (**permalink**) 08-05-2008, 12:36 PM

wow what a thread! Im unsure if snakes have a "friendly emotion" i do think that if you appraoch comfortably and calmly then the snake will allow you to handle. As with any serpent its all about respect, if there in defensive posture then leave well alone, snakes will come to you as and when there ready. My costa boas are soft as, and seem to enjoy been intereacted with, but who knows! Individual people have individual approaches, i say do what works for you

butterfly · #50 (**permalink**) 09-05-2008, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Young_Gun

Wasn't having a go at you mate honestly, just didn't see why people would want to damage a great feeding royal because its a bit aggressive.

Likely your body warmth that she is after, snakes don't/can't differentiate between different people.

well she isnt happy going to anyone else in fact she wont go to any one else. how do you know they dont 'know' differant people? i would imagine they would know by smell who feeds them, changes water, shows them kindness or even doesnt. has there been any studies done to prove snakes 'dont know'.
my sc was aggressive. but a bit of interaction proved to her that no matter what she did, i was still gonna be there, and it also proved to her i wasnt a threat, and she could trust me even if just a wee bit.
she wouldnt eat before, and now she is settled, she is eating like a bucket. she watches for me going in the room, and comes to the front of her tub, before she would have flew at the tub sides banging. so whats better for her. the way she was before, or the way she is now, eating and having interaction, if she wants that interaction. or still being aggressive and not trusting anyone or anything.
i think she is happier now. in fact i KNOW she is happier now.

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