If I was buying 'just' a pet, I wouldn't care about knowing the hets, but as I am a hobbyist/breeder wanting to make my own projects I'd be angry if I got unknown hets that would mess up future plans. It's been enough of a blow to find 2 of my 'girls' have changed sex!

Well yeah you would. And I would have thought 6 year projects would be far more common if you were having to buy the visual morphs say sunkissed x hypo stripe = 100% normals het sunkissed hypo stripe, you would know that for sure. Then keep back a group of babies and presto you should have your hypo sunkissed stripe. Any other hets that match up may be a bonus or a hinderance...

LONG road considering it would be easier to purchase hets but then why would Rich want people raining on his parade by producing rare morphs like this shortly after him? People like NERD are so far ahead in the morph game because they give nothing away. It's selfish and unreasonable IMO but they always give people something to strive for...

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Aww J9, at least you have eggs this year. My girls are STILL holding out lol.

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True, but say your trying to create something compleatly new with more genes in, sometimes you need ot buy the animals with the hets first, then keep the babies, then breed them.

Im very sleepy and not explaining myself well.

As for your example abouve, if you do it that way, your babies will come out normal, carry so many genes your not actully going to produce what your after, so you need to buy the hets to begin with.

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Yeah it seems like a weird idea to me, how big is Serpenco exactly? i mean how many do they produce a year? I guess you have to remember though, that as even as a big morph breeder, the guy probably wholesales out an awful lot of babies, to people that dont care about the hets. I bet on his rarest morphs though, he will tell you what they het for. He will run of the labels, for animals not worth so much.

Even for the big breeders, NERD, BHB etc etc it wouldnt suprise me if they wholesale out animals that are say poss het for some rare morphs, as they end up with so many normal looking snakes, but that are poss hets. Is it better, to try and command a high price (ie the price for the possiblity of the het in it) or to just wholesale it out to a pet store, when its probably never going to be bred.

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Dave
Helsinki, Finland

12.18 BRBs
High Orange, High Red, Yellow (maybe)
Anerythristic, Poss het Anerythristic
2 differentlines of Het Hypo

Well Rich is also selling more wholesale and less retail so I guess from that point of view it makes sense. I like to know the hets myself.

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been thinking about this this morning.
all hypothetically, just say you have a very very rare morph, lets say some retic one. And you end up with some gold in the clutch, but also a bunch of 66% hets. You dont want anyone else to have the morph yet, ie you waiting for the 2nd generation, to prove out or something. But you dont have room for say 15 more retics. What do you do? and i bet the answer is wholesale them out as normals, so they go thru pet stores etc etc and not to breeders.

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Dave
Helsinki, Finland

12.18 BRBs
High Orange, High Red, Yellow (maybe)
Anerythristic, Poss het Anerythristic
2 differentlines of Het Hypo

I'll still to buying known hets

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www.hissnhers.co.uk

hmm, i dont like this.
i like to know roughly what i am getting.
i will always sell my snakes with all known hets and poss hets detailed.

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corns for sale NOW..

http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/snake...-08-corns.html

he was the biggest in the world, he dropped from 13000 hatchlings 3 years ago, i think he said he was having less than 5000 this year.. so still a massive amount.

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corns for sale NOW..

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