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Duh... Take NERD for example, he keeps everyone on their toes each year in regards to the royal morphs by never dishing out details. Yet I doubt he loses custom over it...
but i bet he losing money
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Doesn't this put the work back on the shoulders of you guys?
I mean, at the end of the day many of you keep and breed corns to produce new things and for the excitement of being able to say "i produced ****** line".
To me, all he has done is take a hobbiests stand, no longer is he the one that people need to follow - he has opened it up to everyone else to put in the work.
I honestly feel that a lot of you are upset because he is no longer doing the work, you all claim to love, for you.

In terms of not labeling hets. He isn't the first by a LOOOOOONG shot. Retic keepers will remember when Bob Clark offered a whole boatload of normal looking animals out, all hets, and just basically said "enjoy, see what you come up with".
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but i bet he losing money
Thats the thing Nige, sometimes it's not all about the money...
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Doesn't this put the work back on the shoulders of you guys?
I mean, at the end of the day many of you keep and breed corns to produce new things and for the excitement of being able to say "i produced ****** line".
To me, all he has done is take a hobbiests stand, no longer is he the one that people need to follow - he has opened it up to everyone else to put in the work.
I honestly feel that a lot of you are upset because he is no longer doing the work, you all claim to love, for you.

In terms of not labeling hets. He isn't the first by a LOOOOOONG shot. Retic keepers will remember when Bob Clark offered a whole boatload of normal looking animals out, all hets, and just basically said "enjoy, see what you come up with".
I agree to some extent. It's not hard to produce hets yourself and do your own project. Just easier to buy them from someone else...
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Doesn't this put the work back on the shoulders of you guys?
I mean, at the end of the day many of you keep and breed corns to produce new things and for the excitement of being able to say "i produced ****** line".
To me, all he has done is take a hobbiests stand, no longer is he the one that people need to follow - he has opened it up to everyone else to put in the work.
I honestly feel that a lot of you are upset because he is no longer doing the work, you all claim to love, for you.

In terms of not labeling hets. He isn't the first by a LOOOOOONG shot. Retic keepers will remember when Bob Clark offered a whole boatload of normal looking animals out, all hets, and just basically said "enjoy, see what you come up with".
i personally am not too bothered mate.. my point is i cant see why he is doing it?.. if he wants to lesson the workload, then half it butmake the effort labelling the hets on those.. whats the point of just not labelling ONE TIME but to still have the same work load? totally makes sense.
i am not uspet one bit,i mean upset maybe for the hobby but not in the sense your talking about.


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Thats the thing Nige, sometimes it's not all about the money...
i know, at the same time if it wasnt them he wouldnt be selling snakes for 50k or so when they 1st come out i suppose.
if he is purposely selling 2 different hets together, then thats just clever..
if he is selling 2 of the same to the same person for thprice of normals, then thats stupid..
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Duh... Take NERD for example, he keeps everyone on their toes each year in regards to the royal morphs by never dishing out details. Yet I doubt he loses custom over it...
Thanks for that comment. I'm a 'nobody' in the world of breeding and morphs, how would I know? Duh yourself.
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i know, at the same time if it wasnt them he wouldnt be selling snakes for 50k or so when they 1st come out i suppose.
if he is purposely selling 2 different hets together, then thats just clever..
if he is selling 2 of the same to the same person for thprice of normals, then thats stupid..

I don't think it's stupidity or trying to cheat anyone by mixing and matching hets. I think hes quite simply desperate for help. Like he says, he is not going to be around forever. Serpenco will not always be the top corn snake breeder in the world. Hes an old man, who cannot keep up with the workload anymore.

I agree that cutting his numbers instead of the quality of his service would be a far better option. Afterall, how many wholesaled corn snakes need to be out there. The market is going to be saturated in no time...
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Thanks for that comment. I'm a 'nobody' in the world of breeding and morphs, how would I know? Duh yourself.
I didn't mean that in a negative way lol. Sorry if I offended you.
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i personally am not too bothered mate.. my point is i cant see why he is doing it?.. if he wants to lesson the workload, then half it butmake the effort labelling the hets on those.. whats the point of just not labelling ONE TIME but to still have the same work load? totally makes sense.
i am not uspet one bit,i mean upset maybe for the hobby but not in the sense your talking about.
I'm sure you're not, but then you have enough of your own stock to play around with and get the results you want. It's the people that have 2 or 3 snakes that claim to love the concept of breeding for the "lesser spotted orange banana phase" - but actually don't want to bother with the time and labour aspect of it, so just want the easy street of throwing 2 snakes together and getting what they want.
I doubt it is about workload to be honest. Probably more about generally making life easier. If he didnt like the workload he would just reduce numbers (as you said), but he isn't, what he is doing is just making his wholesale life easier. At the end of the day the majority of wholesalers don't care what the het is, they just sell it as the visual. When you produce 5000+ a year the VAST majority are going to the trade, so you may aswell gear up to deal with your biggest customer.

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i know, at the same time if it wasnt them he wouldnt be selling snakes for 50k or so when they 1st come out i suppose.
if he is purposely selling 2 different hets together, then thats just clever..
if he is selling 2 of the same to the same person for thprice of normals, then thats stupid..
He has been around a while, i imagine he'll be selling pairs from different tubs
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I don't think it's stupidity or trying to cheat anyone by mixing and matching hets. I think hes quite simply desperate for help. Like he says, he is not going to be around forever. Serpenco will not always be the top corn snake breeder in the world. Hes an old man, who cannot keep up with the workload anymore.

I agree that cutting his numbers instead of the quality of his service would be a far better option. Afterall, how many wholesaled corn snakes need to be out there. The market is going to be saturated in no time...
i didnt suggest it was cheating.. merely clever
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