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Old 05-08-2008, 10:00 PM
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Default Dwarf snakes - a load of rubbish?

I have a theory behind 'dwarf' species and was wondering if anyone else knew anything else. haha

basically all the dwarf species i can think of, retics for example, are from islands. Now being islands, they dont have the same size prey item or the same number of prey items as the mainland. Therefore isnt it possible that these are ohnly 'dwarf' species in the wild because of lack of food? surely not being a subspecies they are the same as the mianland form and have the potential to get just as big?
if you under feed a snake, it stays small, isnt this just whats happened with dwarf species. surely the genetics are the same and a kayaudi retic could get 12-16 foot+ in length?
or is this just a theory i made up that i would like to think is true but in reality isnt?
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You are correct and also incorrect at the same time. Yes they probably came about to be that size due to space and food intake, but natural selection killed off any animals with the genes to get larger, so even when well fed, you wont have a 'full size' animal on your hands.
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for crying out loud.

what do you think happens to animals, over hundreds and hundreds of years and hundreds of generations?

These species don't just nip to these islands for a weekend jaunt, they were seperate long enough to evolve and adapt.

I have many, many CB "dwarf" snakes here. Both pythons and boas. All performing just as thye should and staying smaller than "normals"

Is there extra stupid in the water today or something?
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well if the gentics are the same i dont see why they couldnt get as big? i admit maybe from small parents but if dwarf species were fed extremely well and mayube overfed so they grew bigger than the parents over time couldnt you have a very large kayaudi retic?
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for crying out loud.

what do you think happens to animals, over hundreds and hundreds of years and hundreds of generations?

These species don't just nip to these islands for a weekend jaunt, they were seperate long enough to evolve and adapt.

I have many, many CB "dwarf" snakes here. Both pythons and boas. All performing just as thye should and staying smaller than "normals"

Is there extra stupid in the water today or something?
i dont really like to be thought of as stupid i was just wondering. i dont see a problem with asking a question. this forum was designed to help people anyway, not for other to insult them for asking a question they were wondering about
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overfeeding animals and making them too big won't genetically alter them so they produce big young.

If both myself and sami lost our arms we'd not make babies with no arms.
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exactly - because your not genetically different. dwarf localities are not considered a subspecies and therefore are not genetically different to mainland cousins. or at least not significantly different
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just posted this on the other dwarf thread but its just as valid here

exactly, the thing is they have evolved to be like this over hundreds maybe thousands of years, their size is genetic, not merely a result of stunting, some captive bred specimins can get larger than wild ones but you cant undo evolution in a few generations of captive breeding.
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